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earlyagain
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Brexit???????????????
earlyagain
Posts: 6,776 Senior Member
I'm not sure whats going on???????
Does the majority of Parliament want out of the EU??????
Is Theresa May stalling??????
Does Northern Ireland want to remain part of the EU???????
I'm quite possibly, hopelessly confused???????
Does the majority of Parliament want out of the EU??????
Is Theresa May stalling??????
Does Northern Ireland want to remain part of the EU???????
I'm quite possibly, hopelessly confused???????
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― Douglas Adams
Mike
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What Im confused about is the desires and intentions of Britain.
Mike
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― Douglas Adams
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
about £9 billion a year?
in 2017 the UK would have been liable for £18.6 billion in contributions.
but for eu spending???? and our "special rebate"
hence the £39 billion divorce bill.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the treaty came amid "special times" with the rise of populism and nationalism.
"For the first time, a country is leaving the European Union - in the form of Great Britain," she added.
Those who forget the value of peace and spread lies are accomplices in the crimes of the past," Mr Macron said.
"I would rather look our Europe in the face and strengthen it to protect our peoples. That is what we are doing," he added.
Mrs Merkel also said Germany wants to "make our contribution to the emergence of a European army."
"We are committed to developing a common military culture, a common defence industry and a common line on arms exports," Mrs Merkel said.
The idea is not new - both leaders have called for a common European defence force that would operate within - and not replace - Nato.
this?
Its a tenuous hope, but I can't presently find better.
Populism and nationalism does make me nervous.
Threatening rhetoric aimed at independence makes me alarmed.
― Douglas Adams
Second referendum?
Parliamentary break down?
Default to EU?
― Douglas Adams
Now the same politicians dont have the balls to tell the voters there is NO Rainbow !!
So ENGLAND wants to leave the EU with all the perks from the EU but fulfilling non of their own dues to the EU
England wants an open border between the Irish Republic (an EU-member) and Northern Ireland, Impossible with the Brexit, but cannot have a closed border between them because of what happened between 1910 and 1995.
Now their PM negociated the max from the EU and thats too little for the politicians, they are SOL ! in 14 days they have to give a GOOD alternative or they are stone cold out of the EU with a closed border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland, what basically ignites the civil war over there again.
Seems like Parliament is going to have to default to remaining in the EU and weather the storm from the citizenry at the ballot box.
One of the main instigators for the leave referendum in the first place is a stock-market Multi billionaire with political "friends" , guess who is not gonna loose sleep either way .
Maybe even foretelling of our 2020 election? We'd be foolish not to watch carefully.
“Unless you do everything for liberty, you have done nothing. There are no two ways of being free: one must be entirely free, or become a slave once more.”
― Maximilien Robespierre, Virtue and Terror
That is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not England.
That would be The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not England.
The conclusion of the Irish War of Independence, and the subsequent signing of the Anglo-Irish Treaty, led to the creation of the Irish Free State – a dominion established for the whole island of Ireland on 6 December 1922. The border became an international frontier after the Parliament of Northern Ireland exercised its right to opt out of the Free State on 7 December 1922. The partition of 1921 created only a provisional boundary; a Boundary Commission met in 1924–25 to fix a permanent border between the two jurisdictions "in accordance with the wishes of the inhabitants, so far as may be compatible with economic and geographic conditions".[6] The manner in which the Boundary Commission clause was drafted in the Anglo-Irish Treaty was only explicit in its ambiguity.[7] Amongst politicians in Southern Ireland, there was remarkably little attention paid to the clause during the debates on the Treaty. The Republican activist Sean MacEntee was a "lone voice" in warning that the commission would involve an exercise "in transferring from the jurisdiction of the Government of Northern Ireland certain people and certain districts which that Government cannot govern; and by giving instead to Northern Ireland, certain other districts—unionist districts of Monaghan, Cavan and Donegal, so that not only under this Treaty are we going to partition Ireland, not only are we going to partition Ulster, but we are going to partition even the counties of Ulster."[2][8]
The interim boundary was formalised in December 1925 by an inter-government agreement that was ratified by the three parliaments in London, Dublin and Belfast, without changes from the 1920 demarcation lines.
WIKI.
The EU was established when the Maastricht Treaty came into force in 1993.
Late than never?
80-strong Commons majority = level playing field.