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Shooting at Ft. Worth church

JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior MemberPosts: 8,202 Senior Member
No doubt everyone knows about this.  It happened about 40 miles from where I used to live, and the good guy who brought it all to an end is from the town I recently moved from.  All I can say is thank God and Texas that guns are allowed in churches.

In case you haven't seen it, I found a video that shows the shooting.  It's not easy to watch, but impressive as hell.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=a7Egb_1577654583
Jerry

Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.

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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,658 Senior Member
    Yeah, we've been discussing it for a couple of days
    https://forums.gunsandammo.com/discussion/40124/texas-church-shooting#latest
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,202 Senior Member
    I rarely if ever drop in on the self defense forum, so that explains why I missed the initial discussion.  

    Mods, feel free to delete this, merge it, or whatever you deem correct.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 887 Senior Member
    It might be worth while to leave this thread in the 2nd amendment forum.  That way if people wish to discuss political ramifications from this event, it does not muddy the self defense thread.  Just my 2 cents.
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

    Karma.........It’s a bitch.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,366 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #5
    Accipiter said:
    It might be worth while to leave this thread in the 2nd amendment forum.  That way if people wish to discuss political ramifications from this event, it does not muddy the self defense thread.  Just my 2 cents.
    I think I agree with that.

    Good call.

    If it gets too confusing, I'll either dump or merge one.

    Mike

    ETA: Meaning keep the 2A/Political ramifications here. Keep the SD stuff on the other thread.
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member
    edited December 2019 #6
    I agree. There are legitimate 2A issues related to this shooting. You have the usual turd balls saying the solution is more gun control, and at the same time Texas recently passed a law that allowed CCW in churches that may have helped prevent further deaths.

    And as Zee has seized upon in the other thread, there is quite a bit to be learned from this as a self defense topic.

    It deserves two threads under two different discussion forums.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,366 Senior Member
    Accipter deserves the credit. He suggested it, and I agree.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,202 Senior Member
    Let's not forget Biden's comments on this very subject back in September.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/critics-seize-on-bidens-texas-gun-law-comments-following-church-shooting

    “It is irrational, with all due respect to the governor of Texas, it’s irrational what they’re doing,” Biden said in September following a mass shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. "I mean every day, you see a mass shooting."
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • KSUFirefighter2KSUFirefighter2 Posts: 38 Member
    The circumstances of this shooting are going to make it fall off of the media radar faster than you can say, "Doesn't fit the narrative!"
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,366 Senior Member
    The circumstances of this shooting are going to make it fall off of the media radar faster than you can say, "Doesn't fit the narrative!"
    yep..............
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member
    If I was a gun grabber, I would argue that the guy was there just to steal the collection plate and get away. Because the church members were armed, the situation was escalated to the point where 3 people died-- if they were unarmed, he would have taken the collection plate and slithered away without anyone being harmed.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,202 Senior Member
    If I was a gun grabber, I would argue that the guy was there just to steal the collection plate and get away. Because the church members were armed, the situation was escalated to the point where 3 people died-- if they were unarmed, he would have taken the collection plate and slithered away without anyone being harmed.
    That would be a pretty easy claim to disprove.  The video makes it pretty clear that he wasn't there to rob the collection plate.

    Also, according to reports I have read, the shooter was known to the security force of the church and had made threats on the pastor's life.  I live about 200 miles from where this happened, and Sunday was a fairly warm day, certainly not the kind of day one would normally wear a long coat.  Seems like that should have been a clue.

    With all that said, I now have to wonder why the security folks didn't pat him down before allowing him into the church.  Better yet, why allow him in at all?
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,304 Senior Member
    Armed citizens eliminate soft targets for mass shootings.

    How to translate that into simple irrefutable logic for mass consumption, I don't know???
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    I'm guessing the Hasidic Jews in New York last week never crossed her mind. 


    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • AccipiterAccipiter New Member Posts: 887 Senior Member
    Anyone know whether it was a legal gun purchase yet.  I have seen no mention.  He had a felony charge that was lowered to a misdemeanor.  But I do not see anything specific that would prevent a purchase.
    Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.

    ECHO...ECHO....echo...

    Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!

    Karma.........It’s a bitch.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    I noticed the same thing. Usually we know how/where/when the gun was purchased by the end of the day. 

    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,408 Senior Member
    (I am not saying this in any way to belittle the hero.  He is a hero and has my unending respect). The only reason the media is reporting anything on the good-guy that saved the day is that he is “former law enforcement”.  Helps reinforce the notion that only cops and govt should have guns.

    the good guy in southerland springs did not get this much coverage.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
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