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• JerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member

  December 2019 #2

  I rarely if ever drop in on the self defense forum, so that explains why I missed the initial discussion.  
  
  Mods, feel free to delete this, merge it, or whatever you deem correct.

  Jerry
  
  Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.

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• Accipiter Posts: 901 Senior Member

  December 2019 #3

  It might be worth while to leave this thread in the 2nd amendment forum.  That way if people wish to discuss political ramifications from this event, it does not muddy the self defense thread.  Just my 2 cents.

  Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.
  
  ECHO...ECHO....echo...
  
  Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!
  
  Karma.........It’s a bitch.

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• Linefinder Posts: 7,859 Senior Member

  December 2019 edited December 2019 #4

  Accipiter said:

  It might be worth while to leave this thread in the 2nd amendment forum.  That way if people wish to discuss political ramifications from this event, it does not muddy the self defense thread.  Just my 2 cents.

  I think I agree with that.
  
  Good call.
  
  If it gets too confusing, I'll either dump or merge one.
  
  Mike
  
  ETA: Meaning keep the 2A/Political ramifications here. Keep the SD stuff on the other thread.

  "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
  N454casull
  

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• Jermanator Posts: 16,244 Senior Member

  December 2019 edited December 2019 #5

  I agree. There are legitimate 2A issues related to this shooting. You have the usual turd balls saying the solution is more gun control, and at the same time Texas recently passed a law that allowed CCW in churches that may have helped prevent further deaths.
  

  
  

  And as Zee has seized upon in the other thread, there is quite a bit to be learned from this as a self defense topic.
  

  
  

  It deserves two threads under two different discussion forums.
  

  Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.

  -Thomas Paine

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• Linefinder Posts: 7,859 Senior Member

  December 2019 #6

  Accipter deserves the credit. He suggested it, and I agree.
  
  Mike

  "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
  N454casull
  

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• JerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member

  December 2019 #7

  Let's not forget Biden's comments on this very subject back in September.
  
  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/critics-seize-on-bidens-texas-gun-law-comments-following-church-shooting
  
  “It is irrational, with all due respect to the governor of Texas, it’s irrational what they’re doing,” Biden said in September following a mass shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. "I mean every day, you see a mass shooting."
  

  Jerry
  
  Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.

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• KSUFirefighter2 Posts: 39 Member

  December 2019 #8

  The circumstances of this shooting are going to make it fall off of the media radar faster than you can say, "Doesn't fit the narrative!"
  

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• Linefinder Posts: 7,859 Senior Member

  December 2019 #9

  KSUFirefighter2 said:

  The circumstances of this shooting are going to make it fall off of the media radar faster than you can say, "Doesn't fit the narrative!"
  

  yep..............

  "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
  N454casull
  

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• Jermanator Posts: 16,244 Senior Member

  December 2019 #10

  If I was a gun grabber, I would argue that the guy was there just to steal the collection plate and get away. Because the church members were armed, the situation was escalated to the point where 3 people died-- if they were unarmed, he would have taken the collection plate and slithered away without anyone being harmed.
  

  Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.

  -Thomas Paine

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• JerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member

  December 2019 #11

  Jermanator said:

  If I was a gun grabber, I would argue that the guy was there just to steal the collection plate and get away. Because the church members were armed, the situation was escalated to the point where 3 people died-- if they were unarmed, he would have taken the collection plate and slithered away without anyone being harmed.
  

  That would be a pretty easy claim to disprove.  The video makes it pretty clear that he wasn't there to rob the collection plate.
  
  Also, according to reports I have read, the shooter was known to the security force of the church and had made threats on the pastor's life.  I live about 200 miles from where this happened, and Sunday was a fairly warm day, certainly not the kind of day one would normally wear a long coat.  Seems like that should have been a clue.
  
  With all that said, I now have to wonder why the security folks didn't pat him down before allowing him into the church.  Better yet, why allow him in at all?

  Jerry
  
  Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.

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• earlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member

  January 2020 #12

  Armed citizens eliminate soft targets for mass shootings.
  
  How to translate that into simple irrefutable logic for mass consumption, I don't know???

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• sgtrock21 Posts: 1,933 Senior Member

  January 2020 #13

  More details in this morning's news.

  http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-churchgoers-welcomed-the-poor-but-sensed-this-one-was-trouble/ar-BBYvGtV?li=BBnb7Kz

  
  

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• CaliFFL Posts: 5,486 Senior Member

  January 2020 #14

  I'm guessing the Hasidic Jews in New York last week never crossed her mind. 
  
  
  

  When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.
  
  Adam J. McCleod
  
  

  
  

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• Accipiter Posts: 901 Senior Member

  January 2020 #15

  Anyone know whether it was a legal gun purchase yet.  I have seen no mention.  He had a felony charge that was lowered to a misdemeanor.  But I do not see anything specific that would prevent a purchase.

  Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.
  
  ECHO...ECHO....echo...
  
  Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!
  
  Karma.........It’s a bitch.

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• CaliFFL Posts: 5,486 Senior Member

  January 2020 #16

  I noticed the same thing. Usually we know how/where/when the gun was purchased by the end of the day. 
  
  

  When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.
  
  Adam J. McCleod
  
  

  
  

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• bullsi1911 Posts: 12,453 Senior Member

  January 2020 #17

  (I am not saying this in any way to belittle the hero.  He is a hero and has my unending respect). The only reason the media is reporting anything on the good-guy that saved the day is that he is “former law enforcement”.  Helps reinforce the notion that only cops and govt should have guns.
  
  the good guy in southerland springs did not get this much coverage.

  To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
  -Mikhail Kalashnikov

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