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• GunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member

  January 2020 #2

  “[Toney is] anti-government and very outspoken about his beliefs that the government is bad and out to get him,” said Toney’s arrest affidavit."
  
  Yeah, so as usual there were some hints along the way...

  Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.
  
  

  General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  
  

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• CaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member

  January 2020 #3

  GunNut said:

  “[Toney is] anti-government and very outspoken about his beliefs that the government is bad and out to get him,” said Toney’s arrest affidavit."
  
  Yeah, so as usual there were some hints along the way...

  
  There are plenty of anti-government people who wholeheartedly believe the government (all governments, in fact) are bad and detrimental to the individual. Doesn't make them violent or hateful. 
  
  

  When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.
  
  Adam J. McCleod
  
  

  
  

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• zorba Senior Member Posts: 24,458 Senior Member

  January 2020 #4

  CaliFFL said:

  GunNut said:

  “[Toney is] anti-government and very outspoken about his beliefs that the government is bad and out to get him,” said Toney’s arrest affidavit."
  
  Yeah, so as usual there were some hints along the way...

  
  There are plenty of anti-government people who wholeheartedly believe the government (all governments, in fact) are bad and detrimental to the individual. Doesn't make them violent or hateful. 
  
  

  THANK YOU. At the very best, any government is a "necessary evil", but evil all the same. Yea, we can't live without one, but it sure isn't good for us all the same.
  

  -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
  
  "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  

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• Gila Posts: 1,830 Senior Member

  January 2020 #5

  zorba said:

  CaliFFL said:

  GunNut said:

  “[Toney is] anti-government and very outspoken about his beliefs that the government is bad and out to get him,” said Toney’s arrest affidavit."
  
  Yeah, so as usual there were some hints along the way...

  
  There are plenty of anti-government people who wholeheartedly believe the government (all governments, in fact) are bad and detrimental to the individual. Doesn't make them violent or hateful. 
  
  

  THANK YOU. At the very best, any government is a "necessary evil", but evil all the same. Yea, we can't live without one, but it sure isn't good for us all the same.
  

  Our Republic is the compromise the founding fathers came up with between no government, and too much government.
  

  No good deed goes unpunished...
  

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• bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,519 Senior Member

  January 2020 #6

  CaliFFL said:

  GunNut said:

  “[Toney is] anti-government and very outspoken about his beliefs that the government is bad and out to get him,” said Toney’s arrest affidavit."
  
  Yeah, so as usual there were some hints along the way...

  
  There are plenty of anti-government people who wholeheartedly believe the government (all governments, in fact) are bad and detrimental to the individual. Doesn't make them violent or hateful. 
  
  

  There is a difference between a person that thinks the dark forces of government are out to get that one person in particular, and knowing that all government iss dangerous to EVERYONE’S personal liberty.

  To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
  -Mikhail Kalashnikov

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• GunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member

  January 2020 #7

  bullsi1911 said:

  CaliFFL said:

  GunNut said:

  “[Toney is] anti-government and very outspoken about his beliefs that the government is bad and out to get him,” said Toney’s arrest affidavit."
  
  Yeah, so as usual there were some hints along the way...

  
  There are plenty of anti-government people who wholeheartedly believe the government (all governments, in fact) are bad and detrimental to the individual. Doesn't make them violent or hateful. 
  
  

  There is a difference between a person that thinks the dark forces of government are out to get that one person in particular, and knowing that all government is dangerous to EVERYONE’S personal liberty.

  YES, a reasonable response that states what I consider obvious, thank you!  
  
  I guess I'm anti-government since I am HIGHLY skeptical of anything they come up with for "my benefit", and I believe in general they are the biggest threat to personal freedoms and they suffer from an almost complete lack of accountability.  
  
  BUT, I think when you start believing the government is out to get YOU, you have now crossed into delusional.  So when I hear someone actually verbalize this (and I'm glad I don't hear it a lot) the hairs on the back of my neck get REALLY tingly...

  Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.
  
  

  General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  
  

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• GunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member

  January 2020 #8

  Gila said:

  zorba said:

  CaliFFL said:

  GunNut said:

  “[Toney is] anti-government and very outspoken about his beliefs that the government is bad and out to get him,” said Toney’s arrest affidavit."
  
  Yeah, so as usual there were some hints along the way...

  
  There are plenty of anti-government people who wholeheartedly believe the government (all governments, in fact) are bad and detrimental to the individual. Doesn't make them violent or hateful. 
  
  

  THANK YOU. At the very best, any government is a "necessary evil", but evil all the same. Yea, we can't live without one, but it sure isn't good for us all the same.
  

  Our Republic is the compromise the founding fathers came up with between no government, and too much government.
  

  Exactly, and as our world becomes a increasingly complex unfortunately society and government must follow.  The founding Fathers would have been paralyzed and overwhelmed if they had faced managing today's New York City, never mind 2020 US of A and the current complex global geopolitical ecosystem.

  Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.
  
  

  General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  
  

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• Accipiter New Member Posts: 888 Senior Member

  January 2020 edited January 2020 #9

  Randy Weaver thought the government was out to get “him”.  Then they came and entrapped him, shot him, murdered his son, and murdered his wife.  Just sayin
  
  
  
  Anyway back to Florida man.  Stabbed his boss to death with a trowel.  What’s up with that, and where did the flag come from?  One article said it was new.  Was this planned or a spur of the moment troweling?

  Apparently free thought is punished, and conformity is required, while peckerless cowards run the show.
  
  ECHO...ECHO....echo...
  
  Ah......One savors the hypocrisy!
  
  Karma.........It’s a bitch.

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