IIRC They made a million of them...and one got used as intended....
The French have standards about what they will use in combat, who knew?
They have standards?
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
Its only been recently that exactly one instance of it being deployed as intended has come to light. Somebody popped off a Nazi officer in France with one.
We have documentation of that anywhere? Sees like the sort of action that would get the perpetrator, his friends, their families, their dogs, and their dog's fleas all laboriously tortured and all record of their previous existence erased. . .
But you do have to love the intrigue of the OSS process. . .
There's at least one confirmed death due to a Liberator.
A foreman was killed when he accidently shot himself in the abdomen with a FP-45 although the “official” story was that he was injured due to a malfunctioning piece of equipment.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
I had seen, but already forgotten about this. Kind of a modern day successor to the Liberator and kind of looks like the CIA "Deer gun". Better made, and more accurate than the Liberator, available in 9mm Parabellum and 9mm Kurz. Cheap and oddball enough - maybe I should get one?
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
Oh, I don't know. Been watching Tank Museum on Facebook lately and found out how woefully equipped both the French and British were then, tank-wise, and how poorly led the French were. They depended on the Maginot Line for defense, a hangover from fighting a defensive war. The ML ended at the Belgium border, where is where the Germans invaded. The ML was never used by the French.
The French fought well in WW1 and lost an incredible number of troops. Essentially financially broke in the interwar years, there was little money for military spending. And what they had, the they were still fighting the first war at the beginning of WW2, as were the British. Both armies were under-equipped because they'd spent a lot of money on Maginot Line and the theory of defense, unlike the Germans who spent a helluva lot of their budget for rearming and the theory of attack. Germany was NOT fighting WW1. France had very good tanks at the beginning of the war but they were slow and poorly led, going back to using the tank only as an infantry supporting role; the Germans used tanks in a breakthrough role. The Germans defeated the French, but also defeated the British in those early days, forcing them to retreat to Dunkirk.
At the battle of Dien Bin Phu, in the final days when defeat was obvious, all remaining French troops parachuted in, cooks, bakers, whatever, some of whom had no parachute training. So not all of them were surrender monkeys.
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
I had seen, but already forgotten about this. Kind of a modern day successor to the Liberator and kind of looks like the CIA "Deer gun". Better made, and more accurate than the Liberator, available in 9mm Parabellum and 9mm Kurz. Cheap and oddball enough - maybe I should get one?
You'll put your eye out...
Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
That looks like the "Noisy Cricket" from Men In Black."
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
Aw, what the hey. Ordered one in .380. Yea, I'll bring it to the shoot, should be good for comic relief if nothing else, although I'm hearing that they're pretty accurate at bad breathe distances. They better be, because they're being touted as a "self defense gun", although I can't see it other than a curiosity 10 years from now when nobody's ever heard of the gun or the company that made it. A future gun for Ian "Gun Jesus" on "Forgotten Weapons" to pontificate about!
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
Well, we've all heard of the M3 Grease Gun, this one we can call the M3 Glue Gun:
Initial impressions: Well made as noted elsewhere on the Internet, BUT, from my perspective, an accident waiting to happen. Like anything else, if you pay attention to procedure, it'll be fine, but there are enough holes in the manual of arms for this thing to sail the Titanic and the Queen Mary through beam-to-beam. Loading (and unloading an unfired cartridge) requires extra attention to correct procedure, and the protruding firing pin keeps things interesting. Its REAL easy to replace the barrel with parts of your hand in front of the muzzle - ask me how I know this...
The crossbolt safety has been proven effective, albeit slightly scary, by a youtuber, but the jury's still out in my mind as to the effectiveness of the rotary barrel safety. If the barrel is set on safe, and the trigger is operated, the barrel rotates to "fire" as a result! Whether or not it sets off a loaded round in this case is yet to be determined. Either way, I'm gonna contact Altor to see if this is normal behavior - the rotary barrel safety is supposed to act as a firing pin block. I think finger/trigger and muzzle discipline plus the cross bolt safety are mo' bettah.
The rifling is interesting, unlike anything I personally have seen before - very wide lands, very narrow grooves.
I'm thinking at the moment that the old Liberator, as dangerous as that gun could be, is intrinsically far safer. Range trip for both next week!
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
Well, we've all heard of the M3 Grease Gun, this one we can call the M3 Glue Gun:
Initial impressions: Well made as noted elsewhere on the Internet, BUT, from my perspective, an accident waiting to happen. Like anything else, if you pay attention to procedure, it'll be fine, but there are enough holes in the manual of arms for this thing to sail the Titanic and the Queen Mary through beam-to-beam. Loading (and unloading an unfired cartridge) requires extra attention to correct procedure, and the protruding firing pin keeps things interesting. Its REAL easy to replace the barrel with parts of your hand in front of the muzzle - ask me how I know this...
The crossbolt safety has been proven effective, albeit slightly scary, by a youtuber, but the jury's still out in my mind as to the effectiveness of the rotary barrel safety. If the barrel is set on safe, and the trigger is operated, the barrel rotates to "fire" as a result! Whether or not it sets off a loaded round in this case is yet to be determined. Either way, I'm gonna contact Altor to see if this is normal behavior - the rotary barrel safety is supposed to act as a firing pin block. I think finger/trigger and muzzle discipline plus the cross bolt safety are mo' bettah.
The rifling is interesting, unlike anything I personally have seen before - very wide lands, very narrow grooves.
I'm thinking at the moment that the old Liberator, as dangerous as that gun could be, is intrinsically far safer. Range trip for both next week!
If you get caught carrying it, there is a <50% the cops don’t recognize it as a firearm vs glue gun.
Just got back from the range. Just to make Ned happy, I shot quantity five (5) "full house" rounds in the Liberator. Do-able, but not pleasant. Kind of like shooting .357 though my wife's Charter Arms.
It shot WAY high at 5 yards, I had to aim about 12 inches low to hit center. Windage was fine. Bullets keyholed which surprises exactly nobody. Better than the original, no doubt.
In other news, I also shot the "Glue Gun" - ONCE. Based on that one round, it seems to be pretty accurate, but I "think" I have a box of dud ammo. Tried several other rounds, and despite what appears to be good primer strikes, none went off. The one that did fire did so on a restrike. As I don't have any other .380 ammo nor another .380 gun to A/B things with, I'm gonna blame the ammo until proven otherwise.
Lastly, the Korean 50 round Glock 9mm magazine is going to be sold down the river. Worked fine once I took the brake off of my gun, BUT, at least half of my ammo is now behind the follower instead of in front of it. Unless I see something dumb and obvious when I take it apart, its going on GB.
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
This'll probably be the last post on this thread (much to everyone's relief, no doubt!), I made a video on the "Glue Gun", that is already more popular than the one I did for the Liberator:
In other news, there were no less than 20 rounds of ammo behind the follower on that KCI 50 round drum magazine for Glock. After having it apart, I'm really thinking the passageways are too large for 9mm ammo - but I'm no expert so I sent it off to a guy who is! I told him that unless the thing can be made to run reliably, that he could keep it with my blessing for the educational value as he works on mags of all sorts, particularly rare ones and Luger "snail" drum mags, etc so he knows this stuff.
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
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How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
But you do have to love the intrigue of the OSS process. . .
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2012/7/24/the-liberator-pistol/
Well, at least we know they worked.
Whoever said Ball ammo is ineffective. 😉
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
The French fought well in WW1 and lost an incredible number of troops. Essentially financially broke in the interwar years, there was little money for military spending. And what they had, the they were still fighting the first war at the beginning of WW2, as were the British. Both armies were under-equipped because they'd spent a lot of money on Maginot Line and the theory of defense, unlike the Germans who spent a helluva lot of their budget for rearming and the theory of attack. Germany was NOT fighting WW1. France had very good tanks at the beginning of the war but they were slow and poorly led, going back to using the tank only as an infantry supporting role; the Germans used tanks in a breakthrough role. The Germans defeated the French, but also defeated the British in those early days, forcing them to retreat to Dunkirk.
At the battle of Dien Bin Phu, in the final days when defeat was obvious, all remaining French troops parachuted in, cooks, bakers, whatever, some of whom had no parachute training. So not all of them were surrender monkeys.
How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."