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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Milsurps??
    Who would ever want one of those when you can get a Remmy ADL for tree hunnert bucks?
    No idea...

    :)

    Well how about dem apples? Garands et all actually using their stacking swivels! This makes me think I need to get a couple more so I can stack mine too! :D
    .
    So then I need to go find me one more. I have two, need three.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 3,831 Senior Member
    Had the milsurp bug for a while. Collected some nice examples of Mausers, Enfields, Mosins, and Steyr's and a very nice Schmidt-Ruben. Never did pick up any U.S models.
    Shot them all for a while but found myself leaving them home more often than not. Some of the nicer examples have moved on to new homes. Still a few that need new homes.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,639 Senior Member
    A few pics of my Venezuelan target rifle.  Found out recently from a Mauser board it was made in 1940 for the Pan Am games of 1942, which didn't happen because of WW2.  I can't take full length pictures, but the barrel is about 28".  The sights are windage adjustable down to 100 yards.  Bore looks great and all the metal matches; stock does not.  Stock has usual handling dings but not that many.  The FN bluing is as good as I've seen on a milsurp.  It's in 7x57 and I need to shoot it once I adjust the rear sight to the middle.





    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,639 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    Had the milsurp bug for a while. Collected some nice examples of Mausers, Enfields, Mosins, and Steyr's and a very nice Schmidt-Ruben. Never did pick up any U.S models.
    Shot them all for a while but found myself leaving them home more often than not. Some of the nicer examples have moved on to new homes. Still a few that need new homes.
    I'm looking to give an Enfield a new home. Got any?
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 3,831 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    sakodude said:
    Had the milsurp bug for a while. Collected some nice examples of Mausers, Enfields, Mosins, and Steyr's and a very nice Schmidt-Ruben. Never did pick up any U.S models.
    Shot them all for a while but found myself leaving them home more often than not. Some of the nicer examples have moved on to new homes. Still a few that need new homes.
    I'm looking to give an Enfield a new home. Got any?
    The two I had have found new homes. sadly, no desire to replace them.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    A few pics of my Venezuelan target rifle.  Found out recently from a Mauser board it was made in 1940 for the Pan Am games of 1942, which didn't happen because of WW2.  I can't take full length pictures, but the barrel is about 28".  The sights are windage adjustable down to 100 yards.  Bore looks great and all the metal matches; stock does not.  Stock has usual handling dings but not that many.  The FN bluing is as good as I've seen on a milsurp.  It's in 7x57 and I need to shoot it once I adjust the rear sight to the middle.


    I like that rear sight!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,412 Senior Member
    snake284 said:
    zorba said:
    Milsurps??
    Who would ever want one of those when you can get a Remmy ADL for tree hunnert bucks?
    No idea...

    :)

    Well how about dem apples? Garands et all actually using their stacking swivels! This makes me think I need to get a couple more so I can stack mine too! :D
    .
    So then I need to go find me one more. I have two, need three.

    Bring 'em to the shoot, we'll let them have a family reunion!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,204 Senior Member
    I collected for a while. Had to sell all of them over time. The only ones I wish I still had were the No4;s. I had nearly all the variants. Long branch, Savage, No5 (original)  and a minty Ishapore. Had it not been for the sight location on the Ishapore (12 shot 7.62x51) being so crappy compared to the slick Mk3 and #4, I might still have it. Just can't see all three panel so much anymore. The peeps on the other would be better I think. 

    Had others. An M1 Garand parts kit. It was okay. The Egyptian Hakim was interesting and my favorite semi auto battle rifle. Lastly a 1916 Spanish Mauser in 7.62 x51
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    Winston Churchill
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    snake284 said:
    zorba said:
    Milsurps??
    Who would ever want one of those when you can get a Remmy ADL for tree hunnert bucks?
    No idea...

    :)

    Well how about dem apples? Garands et all actually using their stacking swivels! This makes me think I need to get a couple more so I can stack mine too! :D
    .
    So then I need to go find me one more. I have two, need three.

    Bring 'em to the shoot, we'll let them have a family reunion!

    Dude you don't know how much I'd love to come to the shoot this year, but there's no way that's happening. Next year if they have one I will be there if I have to walk. And I'm bringing Miss Pretty with me so she can hang out with the girls. I also have some new sporting rifles I'm anxious to bring too. One is my new to me Model 721 Remington chambered in .30-06 and the other is my Charles Daly Zastava 98 Mauser chambered in 7x57. I just refinished the stock on the 721. I didn't do an extensive job on it, didn't remove the dings and such but I did strip the old finish, put on 3 coats of Boiled Linseed oil and wet sanded in between and finished by lightly sanding. She looks here 69 years but she's got on makeup. The Charles Daly 7x57 needs the stock resanded and I have a problem with the trigger-safety. If you pull the trigger with the safety on 3 or 4 times it will trip the firing pin. I think something is binding or touching the stock. Anyway, I'll figure it out. If I come next year I'll bring some milsurps.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 2,071 Senior Member
    Didn't this year's shoot get moved to October or something?
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,322 Senior Member
    Didn't this year's shoot get moved to October or something?
    Yes it did.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,412 Senior Member
    YAUSSD.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,894 Senior Member
    edited May 16 #44
    I got the Mil-surp bug for a little while, even went so far as to get my C&R so I could buy direct. Then I swatted that bug as the availability of things I was interested in dried up and prices went up..

    Have a Garand, Yugo SKS and K-31 S-R and none have been out of the house in a few years. I specify "house" because I've occasionally had to move them out of the safe to get something else.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,894 Senior Member
    GunNut said:
    Didn't this year's shoot get moved to October or something?
    Yes it did.
    I believe Columbus day weekend. Unfortunately that's my weekend to work, and unless I can find someone to swap weekends (HIGHLY unlikely), it's going to be impossible for me to make it 
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,412 Senior Member
    Dude, you really need to take that Garand out for some fresh air!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,894 Senior Member
    edited May 16 #47
    Last time it was out, it killed a deer. It's too dangerous to allow it to roam unaccompanied :D 
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,412 Senior Member
    Obviously, you need to chaperone it. ;)
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,412 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    ...unless I can find someone to swap weekends (HIGHLY unlikely), it's going to be impossible for me to make it 

    Crap!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,639 Senior Member
    Had a Russian SKS, and a K 31, but never a Garand.  Bloke on the Range says SKS is the Russian acronym for Can't Hit S%%T.  Don't know because I never benched mine, which I bought in 95 or 96.


    The K 31 is a very accurate rifle.  The Swiss were never at war so they could spend the time and resources without having to rush production shortcuts for increased demands of war.  Nor did Sweden, also who made very accurate military rifles as well.  

    Marksmanship was/is valued in both the Swiss/Swedish armies.  But Bloke raises a valid point in weapons of countries that did go to war and depended very heavily on conscripted civilians who had little previous firearms experience.  The K 31 was more accurate than it needed to be in another army, where only a small percentage of soldiers could take advantage of the enhanced accuracy.


    Which would be an issue in money spent for a rifle only a small number of soldiers could use optimally.  Not to mention the need for faster production.


    A lot of nations in WW2 took shortcuts.  Not the US in Garand production, but the Lee-Enfield No 4 Mark 1 is different from a No 4 Mark I* and later Marks, produced after 1940 or so...rear sights stamped, bedding was "relaxed" to meet wartime needs.  Germany and Japan did, also.


    Something to think about.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    Gene L said:
    sakodude said:
    Had the milsurp bug for a while. Collected some nice examples of Mausers, Enfields, Mosins, and Steyr's and a very nice Schmidt-Ruben. Never did pick up any U.S models.
    Shot them all for a while but found myself leaving them home more often than not. Some of the nicer examples have moved on to new homes. Still a few that need new homes.
    I'm looking to give an Enfield a new home. Got any?
    The two I had have found new homes. sadly, no desire to replace them.

    I've got a nice home here. Just send it on.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,681 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    GunNut said:
    Didn't this year's shoot get moved to October or something?
    Yes it did.
    I believe Columbus day weekend. Unfortunately that's my weekend to work, and unless I can find someone to swap weekends (HIGHLY unlikely), it's going to be impossible for me to make it 
    If you can't get out of work make sure the Mrs. has a full tank of gas for the trip to the shoot.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    Well, I'm always a day late and a dollar short. I need to find me a nice BRITISH Enfield. I don't want a 7.62x51, I want a .303.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,639 Senior Member
    edited May 18 #54
    My last milsurp, a 1891 Argentine Mauser Cavalry Carbine.  In 7.65.  Argentina had a number of these and at some point, converted many to Engineers Carbines.  This amounted to removing rear stock shackle, moving it to the left side of the stock, and replacing the nosecap with one that had a bayonet lug.  Then, they figured they needed more cavalry carbines and converted them back.  Used the Engineer stocks, removed bayonet lug, and plugged the holes where the lug had been affixed.  They painted the metal black, I've heard.  The barrel is 17" long and with factory ammo, the recoil is...noticeable and a ball of flame is generated.



    In the 60s, Montgomery Ward  and others imported the long rifles and cut them down, rather clumsily.  I don't know the length of these, but they have long range rifle sights.  And the Argentine crest on the receiver was ground off by Argentina before they exported them.  I load down for this so it's more pleasant to shoot.










    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
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