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  • ChuckXXChuckXX Banned Posts: 103 Member
    To: NCFUBAR, LM Larsen, & Slanteyedshootist; I think all 3 of you kinda missed the real gist of my post. So with your permission Iam going to rephrase the whole thing. First of all NO there is no hurry to clean my pistols. I too find it kinda fun and enjoyable. Sometimes it even takes me 20 minutes because I too want them babys clean as a whisle. Now for the more important point I was trying to make. Back to the Kwik Shop. Three bad guys come in to hold up the joint. Two have AK-47's and one has a pistol. Your in the back getting a loaf of bread. I now ask you would you rather have a 16 shooter or a 8+1 shooter. Screw the 165 grains vs. my 147 grains. I want "capacity" at this point in my life along with another 16 mag capacity on my belt. Are you familiar with what "adrenaline" does to you at this point??? I can assure you my Winchester PDX-1 supreme elite 147 grain jacketed hollow points will keep up with your 165 grain babys just fine. But as the shooting commences I will still be more comfortable knowing I have 16+16 rounds of firepower. I have thought about this alot over the years. I've seen way tooooo many movies. Marksmanship is great but you cannot be 100% assured that your dead eye is going to have one shot kills against 3 bad guys that are moving and firing against you. Do you see my point here???? If not then you are missing it on purpose. Now back to the "take down and putting back togethor" thing. If you have no problem with the assembly and disassembly of the 1911 then God has Blessed You. I have always found them to be a Pain in the you know what. But thats a personal preference thing. Ever since my wifes good friends husband was killed with a AK-47 at the Westroads Mall in Omaha I have been a "changed man". That was 3 years ago this last December. But thats another story. God bless you guys. You are all great.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member North CarolinaPosts: 4,324 Senior Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    Ever since my wifes good friends husband was killed with a AK-47 at the Westroads Mall in Omaha I have been a "changed man". That was 3 years ago this last December. But thats another story. God bless you guys. You are all great.

    That situation was a sad one ... that scum just wanted to kill and he did. In a case against an AK and in an open public area you more or less are screwed. I won't even guess what I'd do beside soil my skivvies.

    In a handgun versus a long gun (semi-auto especially) you are and pray for the other guy to be an idiot or him to have bad luck.

    Again to capacity, if I knew it I would not put myself in a situation where I would have that level of pucker factor. If I knew I would be I be armed with a long gun and a side arm, bring a friend who carried a long gun and a side arm and still think twice. The number of rounds you carry does not mean you will be able hit your target or even fire if the . I have no idea and would not have a clue where to find info on it but in a civilian defensive shooting I don't hink you'd see even 10 rounds fired unless it is just a case of fire until the slide locks back.
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  • WhitewookieWhitewookie Member South GeorgiaPosts: 181 Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    To: NCFUBAR, LM Larsen, & Slanteyedshootist; I think all 3 of you kinda missed the real gist of my post. So with your permission Iam going to rephrase the whole thing. First of all NO there is no hurry to clean my pistols. I too find it kinda fun and enjoyable. Sometimes it even takes me 20 minutes because I too want them babys clean as a whisle. Now for the more important point I was trying to make. Back to the Kwik Shop. Three bad guys come in to hold up the joint. Two have AK-47's and one has a pistol. Your in the back getting a loaf of bread. I now ask you would you rather have a 16 shooter or a 8+1 shooter. Screw the 165 grains vs. my 147 grains. I want "capacity" at this point in my life along with another 16 mag capacity on my belt. Are you familiar with what "adrenaline" does to you at this point??? I can assure you my Winchester PDX-1 supreme elite 147 grain jacketed hollow points will keep up with your 165 grain babys just fine. But as the shooting commences I will still be more comfortable knowing I have 16+16 rounds of firepower. I have thought about this alot over the years. I've seen way tooooo many movies. Marksmanship is great but you cannot be 100% assured that your dead eye is going to have one shot kills against 3 bad guys that are moving and firing against you. Do you see my point here???? If not then you are missing it on purpose. Now back to the "take down and putting back togethor" thing. If you have no problem with the assembly and disassembly of the 1911 then God has Blessed You. I have always found them to be a Pain in the you know what. But thats a personal preference thing. Ever since my wifes good friends husband was killed with a AK-47 at the Westroads Mall in Omaha I have been a "changed man". That was 3 years ago this last December. But thats another story. God bless you guys. You are all great.

    Yes...yes you have....
    RV,
    Harry
    "I never learned from a man who agreed with me." - Robert Heinlein
  • tv_racin_fantv_racin_fan Senior Member Confusion, JawjaPosts: 661 Senior Member
    I never knew the 1911 was a pain... now the Ruger MK II that could be described as a pain.


    As for the scenario with the two guys with AKs. UUMM you pretty much screwed there unless they aint got a clue. You got 16 + 1 they got 30 times two much more powerful rounds. As for me I got no problem with a 5 shot revolver, I sure wouldn't have issue with a semi with 7 or 8 in the mag.. in fact when I carry a semi it has 7 round mags. Course I do carry at least 2 reloads and occasionaly 4. IF I believe there might be trouble I probably wont go.. if I got to go I gonna get some friends to go with me if at all possible and I gon carry something sides a handgun or two.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Manistee Natl ForestPosts: 18,229 Senior Member
    I never knew the 1911 was a pain...

    It's not...by the time my kids were 12 they could field strip, clean and reassemble a 1911...we worked with the understanding that "if you're old enough to shoot it, you're old enough to clean it"
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Living in a van, down by the river.Posts: 13,993 Senior Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    To: NCFUBAR, LM Larsen, & Slanteyedshootist; I think all 3 of you kinda missed the real gist of my post. So with your permission Iam going to rephrase the whole thing. First of all NO there is no hurry to clean my pistols. I too find it kinda fun and enjoyable. Sometimes it even takes me 20 minutes because I too want them babys clean as a whisle. Now for the more important point I was trying to make. Back to the Kwik Shop. Three bad guys come in to hold up the joint. Two have AK-47's and one has a pistol. Your in the back getting a loaf of bread. I now ask you would you rather have a 16 shooter or a 8+1 shooter. Screw the 165 grains vs. my 147 grains. I want "capacity" at this point in my life along with another 16 mag capacity on my belt. Are you familiar with what "adrenaline" does to you at this point??? I can assure you my Winchester PDX-1 supreme elite 147 grain jacketed hollow points will keep up with your 165 grain babys just fine. But as the shooting commences I will still be more comfortable knowing I have 16+16 rounds of firepower. I have thought about this alot over the years. I've seen way tooooo many movies. Marksmanship is great but you cannot be 100% assured that your dead eye is going to have one shot kills against 3 bad guys that are moving and firing against you. Do you see my point here???? If not then you are missing it on purpose. Now back to the "take down and putting back togethor" thing. If you have no problem with the assembly and disassembly of the 1911 then God has Blessed You. I have always found them to be a Pain in the you know what. But thats a personal preference thing. Ever since my wifes good friends husband was killed with a AK-47 at the Westroads Mall in Omaha I have been a "changed man". That was 3 years ago this last December. But thats another story. God bless you guys. You are all great.

    Ever heard of Alvin C. York? Killed 6 Germans, in a trench, shooting a 1911 with dumb old 230 gr. BALL ammunition. In the process he got a whole German unit to surrender to him. Took 132 prisoners. Oh, and the guys he was taking on? They weren't armed with just rifles. They had machine guns.
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  • rbsivleyrbsivley Senior Member The Heart of DixiePosts: 1,259 Senior Member
    :popcorn:
    Randy

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  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Miami, FL almost in the USA ;)Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    " Hated the take apart and put back togethor hassle of it."

    You do comedy quite well, are you a professional comedian ?
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  • SlanteyedshootistSlanteyedshootist Senior Member Corvallis, OregonPosts: 3,947 Senior Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    To: NCFUBAR, LM Larsen, & Slanteyedshootist; I think all 3 of you kinda missed the real gist of my post. So with your permission Iam going to rephrase the whole thing. First of all NO there is no hurry to clean my pistols. I too find it kinda fun and enjoyable. Sometimes it even takes me 20 minutes because I too want them babys clean as a whisle. Now for the more important point I was trying to make. Back to the Kwik Shop. Three bad guys come in to hold up the joint. Two have AK-47's and one has a pistol. Your in the back getting a loaf of bread. I now ask you would you rather have a 16 shooter or a 8+1 shooter. Screw the 165 grains vs. my 147 grains. I want "capacity" at this point in my life along with another 16 mag capacity on my belt. Are you familiar with what "adrenaline" does to you at this point??? I can assure you my Winchester PDX-1 supreme elite 147 grain jacketed hollow points will keep up with your 165 grain babys just fine. But as the shooting commences I will still be more comfortable knowing I have 16+16 rounds of firepower. I have thought about this alot over the years. I've seen way tooooo many movies. Marksmanship is great but you cannot be 100% assured that your dead eye is going to have one shot kills against 3 bad guys that are moving and firing against you. Do you see my point here???? If not then you are missing it on purpose. Now back to the "take down and putting back togethor" thing. If you have no problem with the assembly and disassembly of the 1911 then God has Blessed You. I have always found them to be a Pain in the you know what. But thats a personal preference thing. Ever since my wifes good friends husband was killed with a AK-47 at the Westroads Mall in Omaha I have been a "changed man". That was 3 years ago this last December. But thats another story. God bless you guys. You are all great.

    Re the Kwik Shop scenario. I don't think I'd stand a chance either way. Three guys, all packing. Me with limited mobility (otherwise known as Oldfartitits). I'd probably end up toast and so would any other bystanders in the place. I'm not arguing that high capacity is not good but you go with what you got.

    Disassembling the 1911. No tools except a screwdriver if I remove the grips. Couldn't be simpler.
    The answer to 1984 is 1776
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The Westroads mall situation was a single-shooter scenario. Did the guy suddenly grow two more personalities, all armed? I doubt if the situation would have changed much, even if all his victims had been armed with high-capacity handguns. He picked a crowded mall, rode an elevator to a position where he could shoot down at people, and carried a rifle with high-capacity magazines. He only fired approximately half his available ammo before killing himself.

    Using that situation as an excuse to make unfounded criticisms of the 1911 is illogical and unconvincing.
    Jerry
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Living in a van, down by the river.Posts: 13,993 Senior Member
    To answer the original question, the 1911's not that big. It's pretty slim. A bit weighty, though. I carry mine in a Crossbreed-style IWB holster with an Uncle Mike's reinforced instructor belt.
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  • ChuckXXChuckXX Banned Posts: 103 Member
    Teach wrote: »
    The Westroads mall situation was a single-shooter scenario. Did the guy suddenly grow two more personalities, all armed? I doubt if the situation would have changed much, even if all his victims had been armed with high-capacity handguns. He picked a crowded mall, rode an elevator to a position where he could shoot down at people, and carried a rifle with high-capacity magazines. He only fired approximately half his available ammo before killing himself.

    Using that situation as an excuse to make unfounded criticisms of the 1911 is illogical and unconvinc
    Jerry
    Jerry; I in no way was critisizing the 1911. As a matter of fact I more than respect the 1911. I just don't like it because of the low capacity it carries vs my 16 round 9mm pistols. As far as the Westroads Mall incident goes, no there were not 3 personalities there, (never said there was) but I do know more about the story than most folks having a friends husband that was killed there. And I disagree with you that you couldn't have done anything about it. I think a well armed and well practiced citizen could have possibly saved "some" lives that day. But fate took over and that didn't happen. But it did "change" how I look at scenarios today.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Living in a van, down by the river.Posts: 13,993 Senior Member
    A cool hand with a good .357 could have handled the situation. But then he'd only have 6 shots, so that would be even less capacity...

    Edited to add: I find the whole capacity debate somewhat laughable, really. If you ever are involved in a shootout, you are responsible for every round downrange. EVERY ONE. That includes misses and accidental hits, too. To say that you need more bullets to take on multiple targets implies that the shooter plans on missing a lot or hitting a few unintended bystanders.

    If the opponent is behind cover, what is planned? Suppressing fire to make sure he keeps his head down? Where are those bullets going? Or are you going to try and shoot through the cover, damaging property? Better to take a careful shot and make sure the cretin goes down than to fling bullets off into nowhere that will have at BEST minimal effect, and at worst could injure or kill someone.

    If you want to watch a movie where multiple bad guys are taken on in a realistic fashion, watch "Heat," the big bank robbery scene in particular. A couple of things worth noting:
    1. Pacino's character carries a weapon capable of full-auto fire, as do many of the cops. But they never use that capability, as they are responsible for every round downrange.
    2. They only fire when given a clear shot. Not an iffy shot.
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member North CarolinaPosts: 4,324 Senior Member
    ChuckXX wrote: »
    Jerry; I in no way was critisizing the 1911. As a matter of fact I more than respect the 1911. I just don't like it because of the low capacity it carries vs my 16 round 9mm pistols. As far as the Westroads Mall incident goes, no there were not 3 personalities there, (never said there was) but I do know more about the story than most folks having a friends husband that was killed there. And I disagree with you that you couldn't have done anything about it. I think a well armed and well practiced citizen could have possibly saved "some" lives that day. But fate took over and that didn't happen. But it did "change" how I look at scenarios today.

    You are correct ... but I think my definition of well armed a situation like this varies greatly from yours. To take action against a "person" armed with a semi-auto rifle who has the high ground I would never think of using ANY handgun be it a 1911, Glock 21, Colt Python or so on. I would have to have a good rifle AND it would still take time to move into a position to even be able to try to stop the threat. As cowardly as it sounds I do not think I could gather enough composure in the minute or 2 to even be able to work into a position ... rounds whizzing by you can really mess with your mind set. Here's a real twist for the mall ... the 2 large malls in my area have police substations (gray area but some LEOs read that as a no carry zone under NC Statuates) AND are posted "NO WEAPONS" so legally licensed citizens would not even be armed against predators like this in them.

    In short, my opinion is in the real world being armed gives you a little better chance of surviving BUT when you are out gunned and in a lesser position, no matter how many rounds you have you are either going to be one LUCKY S.O.B. or one dead brave soul if you take hasty action.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
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  • CaptainRoadBlockCaptainRoadBlock Member Posts: 49 Member
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  • rbsivleyrbsivley Senior Member The Heart of DixiePosts: 1,259 Senior Member
    Well, sticking with Kwik shop scenario, unless the BGs start shooting up the place, I'm not going to start a shootout over the store's money.
    Randy

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  • BILLCALLEYBILLCALLEY New Member Posts: 10 New Member
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    Very comfortable to carry all day in the Missourri Slick 1911 holster.

    -Bill
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  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member VirginiaPosts: 8,337 Senior Member
    OH NO, A ZOMBIE THREAD!!

    :silly:
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Man, it must have taken a backhoe to dig up this moldy oldie! Anybody checked this new post for SPAM status?
    Jerry
  • BILLCALLEYBILLCALLEY New Member Posts: 10 New Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    linking to pics you've attached on another forum doesn't work :silly:

    Sorry Knitepoet, I didn't know you could'nt see the pics unless they were attachted to this forum. I will modify.

    -Bill
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  • BILLCALLEYBILLCALLEY New Member Posts: 10 New Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Man, it must have taken a backhoe to dig up this moldy oldie! Anybody checked this new post for SPAM status?
    Jerry


    Thank you for making a brand new member feel so welcome, Teach. Much appreciated.

    -Bill
  • BILLCALLEYBILLCALLEY New Member Posts: 10 New Member
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    Thanks Knitepoet, but I guess I still don't understand what is so "spam-like" about my post: considering that this thread is about "Advice on carrying a 1911 concealed", why would anyone in his right mind think that my post -- which shows a great way (IMHO) to carry a 1911 concealed -- even remotely think it's possible spam?? And I don't see what I'm "selling" in my post anyway.

    Shouldn't a little common sense come into play before accusing someone of spamming??? :uhm:

    -Bill
  • BILLCALLEYBILLCALLEY New Member Posts: 10 New Member
    CPJ, why don't I speak a little bit slower so that you'll fully understand: considering I quite obviously did not "put a link to some site in [my] signature line", since I had no signature line, your reasoning is completely flawed. And not to mention that if a spammer "has links hidden in [his] post", then how could any spammer with half a brain possibly get anyone to click on his invisible, cleverly hidden link? :roll2:

    All I was trying to do was to be of some small help to the OP, and to help anyone who may trip across this thread in the future; but all I get for it is some really petty BS complaints and snide remarks from a few wanna-be 'moderators' for doing so.

    -Bill :vomit:
  • bmlbml Senior Member Posts: 1,075 Senior Member
    BILLCALLEY wrote: »
    CPJ, why don't I speak a little bit slower so that you'll fully understand: considering I quite obviously did not "put a link to some site in [my] signature line", since I had no signature line, your reasoning is completely flawed. And not to mention that if a spammer "has links hidden in [his] post", then how could any spammer with half a brain possibly get anyone to click on his invisible, cleverly hidden link? :roll2:

    All I was trying to do was to be of some small help to the OP, and to help anyone who may trip across this thread in the future; but all I get for it is some really petty BS complaints and snide remarks from a few wanna-be 'moderators' for doing so.



    -Bill :vomit:
    OK, dude, chill out a bit. No one called you a spammer. It's been said several times already, but what the heck, I'll repeat it again: When an old thread gets dragged up, it is almost always a spammer that does so.

    Your best course of action at this point is to simply browse the forum, maybe introduce yourself, and spend some time among some of the most knowledgeable gun folks on the net.
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Sovereign SCPosts: 5,463 Senior Member
    Bill, I get it. You probably did a search on Google and the hit was this thread, which happened to be an old thread. Happens to me quite often when looking stuff up. If I recall its the same thing that brought me to this board back when....

    We get hit by spammers often, and this is probably one of the very few (ie count on 1 hand) times that it wasn't spam related. We like to keep the board clean of spam. Hope for what it's worth you could somewhat appreciate that. Please feel free to pull up a chair and stay for a while.


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  • BILLCALLEYBILLCALLEY New Member Posts: 10 New Member
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    CPJ, I have been on a lot of firearm forums over the years (in fact, I use to use the old dial-up bulletin boards in the pre-Internet era), and I can safely say to you that a late on-topic post -- no matter if it's a year or two late -- was never automatically assumed to be spam "most of the time". The logic is simply flawed (or paranoid), as was the response here to my innocent posting.

    Thanks Sir George for the one and only truly friendly comment I received; but I best be moseying along now, since the Forum regulars here are just not my cup of tea.

    Very Best Regards,

    -Bill
  • BufordBuford Senior Member CA. Beach citiesPosts: 6,721 Senior Member
    BILLCALLEY wrote: »
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    but I best be moseying along now, since the Forum regulars here are just not my cup of tea.

    -Bill

    Bye.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Hmmmmm - - - - -looks like we just got a visit from Batman with all that stuff on his utility belt. The only thing that seemed to be missing was the "Concealed Carry Permit" badge!
    Jerry
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