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A bespoke double rifle from the days of Queen Victoria

JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
in General Firearms #1
If I'm still dreaming please don't wake me quite yet.
It is from Stephen Grant of London.
The Queen herself commissioned guns from him.

I have a strange sensation that I'm hungry for.....marble cake ?


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  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,007 Senior Member
    #2
    An appropriate arm for the gentleman hunter!!! Well done!
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    edited July 2020 #3
    It has that cripple stock just for guys like us.

    The store owner was happy to see me get it.
    I Told him if he wanted to bring it home I'D settle for a 410.

    I should have ammo by fall
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  • Johnny rebJohnny reb Member Posts: 623 Senior Member
    #4
    What chambering? Nice find Hopefully you and your family can enjoy it for another 100+ years.
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,142 Senior Member
    #5
    For those of us that know little of such things, why so long to get ammo?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #6
    Johnny reb said:
    What chambering? Nice find Hopefully you and your family can enjoy it for another 100+ years.
    I haven't checked yet but believe it will be 450 BPE
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,314 Senior Member
    #7
    Oh hell, I can’t even hate you for that one!  Spectacular!!!  Proof positive that God smiles on good men!  Congratulations brother!
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #8
    Diver43 said:
    For those of us that know little of such things, why so long to get ammo?
    Ron Sako was supposed to drop by last fall he still has a ticket.
    I don't think it will take long to get ammo but I am taking it slow.
    trying to find out more about it first.

    The Grant Build ledger is intact and I'd like to see who commissioned it prior to risking any damage. I was skittish taking it apart......LOL
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,882 Senior Member
    #9
    Ivory front sight???
    You have become a celestial black hole. Nothing can escape your gravitational pull...............
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #10
    GunNut said:
    Oh hell, I can’t even hate you for that one!  Spectacular!!!  Proof positive that God smiles on good men!  Congratulations brother!
    I'm not sure where I fit into that but thanks Brother
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,314 Senior Member
    #11
    JunkCollector said:
    GunNut said:
    Oh hell, I can’t even hate you for that one!  Spectacular!!!  Proof positive that God smiles on good men!  Congratulations brother!
    I'm not sure where I fit into that but thanks Brother
    I know exactly where you fit.  You have blessed many.  Blessings boomerang.
    Awesome score brother!!!
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    edited July 2020 #12
    earlyagain said:
    Ivory front sight???
    You have become a celestial black hole. Nothing can escape your gravitational pull...............
    I believe so Mike.
    This one took the master of the houses approval.

    I'll be letting them pile up down there for a while now.

    This was a once in a lifetime opportunity probably made possible by the funky stock. 
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #13
    GunNut said:
    JunkCollector said:
    GunNut said:
    Oh hell, I can’t even hate you for that one!  Spectacular!!!  Proof positive that God smiles on good men!  Congratulations brother!
    I'm not sure where I fit into that but thanks Brother
    I know exactly where you fit.  You have blessed many.  Blessings boomerang.
    Awesome score brother!!!
    Well  I did learn from you.
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,314 Senior Member
    #14
    JunkCollector said:
    GunNut said:
    JunkCollector said:
    GunNut said:
    Oh hell, I can’t even hate you for that one!  Spectacular!!!  Proof positive that God smiles on good men!  Congratulations brother!
    I'm not sure where I fit into that but thanks Brother
    I know exactly where you fit.  You have blessed many.  Blessings boomerang.
    Awesome score brother!!!
    Well  I did learn from you.
    Thanks but that is credit I don’t deserve.  Love you like a brother, probably more!  You are in a league of your own 👍
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,882 Senior Member
    #15
    Take your time with it and enjoy the research and development. In the next 90 days or so you can maybe provide us star gazers with some very interesting education.
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #16
    Months....I started before picking it up :)

    Been in contact with Diggory Hadoke and waiting for a response from Francis Lovell....keeper of the ledger.

    This gun is so far beyond me it's crazy.
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,509 Senior Member
    #17
    :drool:
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,007 Senior Member
    #18
    I’ve got a mold that drops a 45 cal 385 gr round nose that ought to be just the ticket for that!
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #19
    Zee said:
    :drool:
    About time I found something you like.
    I tried really hard with a DB shotgun but failed miserably.

    I am now covered if a rhino or rampaging elephant wanders by :)
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #20
    sakodude said:
    I’ve got a mold that drops a 45 cal 385 gr round nose that ought to be just the ticket for that!
    I think you are right.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,087 Senior Member
    #21
    Grant was famous for their underlevers...Yeah, I hate you, but I'm very happy you have that classic...couldn't happen to a nicer guy....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,882 Senior Member
    #22
    Ive read a little about the Jones under lever. Its a double mortis lock. It was so strong, it was still periodically used by fine gun makers even after passive mechanisms were being patented and used.
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #23
    Jayhawker said:
    Grant was famous for their underlevers...Yeah, I hate you, but I'm very happy you have that classic...couldn't happen to a nicer guy...


    Wow thanks Scott.
    I definitely valued your opinion on this gun.
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #24
    I've definitely taken a crash course on doubles the last few weeks.
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #25
    Oh well don't know if this will turn out good or bad.

    But the bore sure is bigger than 45....think it's a good 50.

    Hope they send the big Rinos
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,087 Senior Member
    #26
    earlyagain said:
    Ive read a little about the Jones under lever. Its a double mortis lock. It was so strong, it was still periodically used by fine gun makers even after passive mechanisms were being patented and used.
    Yep...that's why you see it used on so many double rifles, especially those big Express rifles...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
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  • Johnny rebJohnny reb Member Posts: 623 Senior Member
    #27
    you may be in luck. I believe I’ve stjll have some 450 3.25 brass. If you get time could you get some more pics of the barrel, flats and water table.
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  • Johnny rebJohnny reb Member Posts: 623 Senior Member
    #28
    you may be in luck. I believe I’ve stjll have some 450 3.25 brass. If you get time could you get some more pics of the barrel, flats and water table.
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 609 Senior Member
    #29
    Johnny reb said:
    you may be in luck. I believe I’ve stjll have some 450 3.25 brass. If you get time could you get some more pics of the barrel, flats and water table.
    If you told me where they were yes.....no not kidding
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,087 Senior Member
    edited July 2020 #30
    The water table is the flat part of the action also known as the "action flats"

    Barrel flats are the flat undersurface of the barrels

    These two come together when the action is closed
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,882 Senior Member
    #31
    It would be good to get as much specific information about original loads as possible. The barrels will be regulated specifically. Also recoil and expense may make extensive experimentation difficult. 
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