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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,026 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    I just ordered 200 of these. I was waiting for reviews and they are all good so far. That, and free shipping. So, with great reviews and free shipping.......they are on the way. 


    Well, I guess I need to order some of those.  They look interesting!
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    I saw those well shopping a couple weeks ago. Hope they perform.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,894 Senior Member
    edited July 10 #64
    I bought 200 of them as well, when they first listed them. I was surprised to see HST's sold as "seconds"

    Edited to add: Just checked, and they've upped the price nearly $7/100 :rage:
    Were $16.09, currently showing $22.99/100
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,894 Senior Member
    Here's LuckyGunner's results from testing this bullet in factory form


    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,589 Senior Member
    They HAVE arrived!  

    Guess I gotta seat them like a Wadcutter. 
    Gonna be pretty busy the next couple months. Might be awhile. But, I am VERY interested in their results. 

    Side note: Very impressed they came in a plastic box. Was expecting cardboard. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    They're very pretty.....

    Gaping?
    Yawning?
    Cavernous?
    ???
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,589 Senior Member
    They're very pretty.....

    Gaping?
    Yawning?
    Cavernous?
    ???
    Pretty much. 

    That makes me happy. 😎
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,434 Senior Member
    Per Knitepoets link, 800 fps seems to be the minimum to get them to expand, should give you some leeway to find a load that is not recoiling too bad. 
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,589 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 said:
    Per Knitepoets link, 800 fps seems to be the minimum to get them to expand, should give you some leeway to find a load that is not recoiling too bad. 
    I “should” be able to hit 900+......or at least there is Hope. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,894 Senior Member
    edited July 16 #71
    I plan on loading some in 357 cases for my 4" 686. 5.0-6.0 of Unique SHOULD put me in the 900-1,000 fps range of MV. Should equate to basically a "mouse fart" load in that pistol
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,894 Senior Member
    Zee said:<snip>
    Side note: Very impressed they came in a plastic box. Was expecting cardboard. 
    Yeah, midway's seconds have been in these plastic boxes since I've been buying them. Only difference is that they've gone to black plastic instead of blue.

    The boxes are handy for storing "stuff" once you use the bullets. The 190gr Sub-X bullets I bought came in a larger version of that box
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,589 Senior Member
    They used to do blue boxes. Then, they switched to cardboard for about a year or more. Glad to see them in plastic again. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 20,894 Senior Member
    edited July 16 #74
    I apparently missed the cardboard era

    Well, the 135gr 40 cal EFMJs I bought came in cardboard, but being 500 count boxes, I figured they would be
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,811 Senior Member
    I was ordering some other stuff from Midway and saw those bullets at $16.09 again. Picked up 100 to try. 
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,026 Senior Member


    Mine came in yesterday, so I went to Cabela,s to get some Unique. One jug of powder in the whole store

    Screw all the hoarders. 
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,811 Senior Member
    edited July 17 #77
    Same here. Shelves are empty at all the stores that sell reloading stuff that I've seen. Luckily I bought some Unique before all this kicked off and I have about 10 pounds of Titegroup.  

    Midway has some powder in stock.  I almost ordered 8 pounds of W296 and 8 pounds of AA5744, but decided to wait.  Not sure if waiting is a good idea, since I'm completely out of 296. 

    ETA - Midway is out of Unique as well.  But they do have Titegroup.

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1009411636
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,811 Senior Member
    I couldn't help myself and put in my second order with Midway for today.  8 pounds of W296 and just 2 pounds of AA5744.  $12 hazmat fee, but that beats empty shelves at the local stores...  And free shipping, after I added a new cap and pair of glasses...  B)
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,426 Senior Member
    Its gotten to a point around here that I will have to sit down with Quick Load to see if I can use some of the powders I have that are not normally listed for some cartridges.   IMR 4227 will be seeing a lot of use I think.
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,867 Senior Member


    Mine came in yesterday, so I went to Cabela,s to get some Unique. One jug of powder in the whole store

    Screw all the hoarders. 
    That picture is depressing me. :'(
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,589 Senior Member
    edited July 18 #81
     Check out Bruno’s Shooters Supply. 
    I’ve never ordered powder from them. But, get a lot of emails listing the powder they have. 

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,026 Senior Member
    Spk said:


    Mine came in yesterday, so I went to Cabela,s to get some Unique. One jug of powder in the whole store

    Screw all the hoarders. 
    That picture is depressing me. :'(
    I went into Academy today for something else, and checked the ammo aisle


    Totally out of handgun ammo.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,811 Senior Member
    The Rona+riots+presidential election year= panic buying... I liked it better when the idiots were hoarding toilet paper. 🤣 I think it’s gonna be this way for a while. What I’ve found really interesting is even bullet casting stuff is being bought up and hard to find some stuff.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    And all these hoarded items will be gladly surrendered without resistence and with full cooperative compliance if our government demands it..........

    I think not. And its the one bright side of the darkness. Overwhelming numbers should theoretically be in our favor. Political and economic power..........
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,867 Senior Member
    Spk said:


    Mine came in yesterday, so I went to Cabela,s to get some Unique. One jug of powder in the whole store

    Screw all the hoarders. 
    That picture is depressing me. :'(
    I went into Academy today for something else, and checked the ammo aisle


    Totally out of handgun ammo.
    If I didn't already have enough to last, let's just say, "A long time", I'd be really pissed.
    Panic buyers simply reflect that segment of the population without capacity of forethought.
    Everything is silly to them until it's sitting on there heads and that becomes their cue to panic buy.
    You're right bullsi, screw the hoarders!
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 1,350 Senior Member
    edited July 18 #86
    Jay said:
    I couldn't help myself and put in my second order with Midway for today.  8 pounds of W296 and just 2 pounds of AA5744.  $12 hazmat fee, but that beats empty shelves at the local stores...  And free shipping, after I added a new cap and pair of glasses...  B)
    Good decision.  I am kicking myself for not stocking up heavy 30 cal bullets for my 300 BO when they were easily available in bulk.  
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,681 Senior Member
    Hoarders yes. But people are still standing in lines to buy a gun.  Figure each new gun sold a person buys only 2 boxes of ammo and poof, shelves are empty.  Around here gun shops are empty
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 2,071 Senior Member
    A couple of months ago I stocked up and currently have more ammo on hand than probably at any other time in my life.......but by standards here would probably be considered critically low.  :D  So.....I have pretty much stopped going to the range to preserve what I have until ammo availability is at least somewhat returned to normal.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,589 Senior Member
    Back on track:
    I loaded up some of the 130gr HST and will test them this afternoon. Having to seat them so deep has made the 6.6gr of Unique into a compressed load. We shall see. 

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    Why didn't you seat them to crimp at the canelure???
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,811 Senior Member
    Not to be a downer or anything, but something doesn’t seem right to me... 6.6gr with the bullet seated that deep seems like it would be more than a +p load. But, I also have no load data for that bullet. Seems like 4-4.5 grains would be more like it. But I could be wrong... that just seems like a lot with no volume in the case. 
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