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Duramax 1000+hp. No rolling coal.

TugarTugar Senior MemberPosts: 2,222 Senior Member



Nearly bone stock. (They just replaced the cam on this video. The other were stock internals that ran 912hp. This is the guy that runs clean diesels. Rolling coal is wasting fuel and damaging the engine. 
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill

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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    Banks has been making smoke free power with the D-Max for quite a few years.  Some people think spewing soot is cool though.  I dont get it.
  • PFDPFD Senior Member Posts: 1,331 Senior Member
    Move this to Clubhouse and Zorba will be all over it!
    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    Too many modern features on that engine for Zorba
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    The precious green juice of power............
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,659 Senior Member
    I could certainly do without the electronics, but its impressive.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JustsomedudeJustsomedude Posts: 540 Senior Member
    Cummins is the only diesel id own.
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited July 21 #8
    zorba said:
    I could certainly do without the electronics, but its impressive.
    Without the electronics,you aren't going to make that kind of HP. 

    If you do, it will be at the expense of far more fuel and less control.
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    Winston Churchill
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    From what little I've read. Sophisticated electronics keep the modern diesel engines cool. An extremely important innovation.

    And the Duramax engines are often lighter than competitive manufacturers. Not an unimportant thing for hot rodders. Stock engines that make over 900 hp and 900 pound feet of torque early in the power band can be an economical option for hot rodders.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,659 Senior Member
    Tugar said:
    zorba said:
    I could certainly do without the electronics, but its impressive.
    Without the electronics,you aren't going to make that kind of HP. 

    If you do, it will be at the expense of far more fuel and less control.
    That much I'll agree with - the computer controlled engines of all types are amazing - WHEN THEY WORK. I've had more than my share of problems with ECUs, fortunately covered under warranties THUS FAR. I'd have far less problems with the entire concept if the $50 ECU didn't cost $1,500 to replace. Economy and reliability both take a hit as it is, because of CarCo GREED.
    My old 3 litre Mercedes is all mechanical - 1968 era technology. It gets 29 MPG freeway, downhill with a tail wind, about 26 "all around". Contrast to about 17 for a gas car of the same era. Updated with an ECU, it'd probably get in excess of 40, high 30s at least. BUT - I can rely on the thing starting and running without worrying about the overpriced ECU crapping out. 40 years from now, it will still start and run without worry. Nor do I have to worry about obsolescence making the car undriveable because I can't get a replacement ECU in 10 years - or have to make do with a used one with Goddess only knows how many heat cycles on it.
    My '06 Jeep has an ECU - and it runs GREAT! Amazingly so - I just replaced the spark plugs on it which I have reason to believe may have been the originals at 127K. I'm flabberghasted the thing was still running, those plugs were at 150% gap, and worn smooth - but the ECU and high energy ignition kept it running and pretty well at that. The only difference I've noted thus far with the new plugs is a very subtle stumble at idle is now gone. We'll see if there's any improvement to mileage now. I put iridium/platinum plugs in, the previous/originals were NOT, and were on an "old skool" 30K mile replacement interval that was obviously not adhered to.
    It gets about 14 MPG "all around", ask me at the shoot what it does on the Freeway as I don't know as yet. It'd probably get 10-11 "all around" without the ECU I'm guessing. But sooner or later I'm going to have to replace the ECU - and hope I can find a new one at $1,500 or so - or pay $500 for a used one with - again - Goddess only knows how many heat cycles on it.
    That's my problem with computer controlled engines. At least there is a benefit to the whole thing, unlike the computerized "crap" with touchscreens and other pointless gadgets the rest of today's cars are saddled with.
    We had a '96 VW Passat TDI, ECU controlled Diesel. Got well over 50 on the freeway - which is why I rant about Prius and other gas hybrids being a complete waste of (expensive) technology. VW's electrics and electronics are utter crap - the engine was fantastic though. Nothing but problems with the "technology", although the ECU didn't cause problems on this one, one of the few where it didn't. Don't ask about the electronic dashboard. VW's belt tensioners are crap too, undersized bearings that seize without warning.

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 2,120 Senior Member
    From what I have read, according to Banks (and I think they have proven over the years to know what they are doing) of all the engines they work with the Duramax has the highest reliability rate.  Keep in mind that only includes engines with Banks performance components. I was surprised to read that and impressed because an engine with high performance modifications is subjected to greater stresses than a stock engine.  Apparently the Duramax handles the added stresses better.  This is why the Banks modified Duramax was selected for the military's replacement of the Humvee.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,659 Senior Member
    That's interesting - GM *FINALLY* got something right with a diesel? The mind boggles - but I trust Banks, even if he *does* use K&N filters. I had a Banks turbo on my '87 F-250 6.9.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,659 Senior Member
    Cummins is the only diesel id own.
    If its not a CAT, its a dog! ;):D
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    That's interesting - GM *FINALLY* got something right with a diesel? The mind boggles - but I trust Banks, even if he *does* use K&N filters. I had a Banks turbo on my '87 F-250 6.9.
    Up until emissions got in the way GM was doing just fine with some quite large 2 stroke diesels in trucks, buses, generators, heavy equipment, trains, and boats/ships.  The 6.2 and 6.5 V8s also were fairly solid mechanically.  The biggest downfall of the 6.5 was the location of the PMD.  A relocation to a cooler location just about eliminates the PMD issue.

    The D-Max had some issues, but most were supplier related.  Isuzu knows how to design a diesel and it showed for the first few variants before GM did some major redesigning of the engine.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,659 Senior Member
    Ah! The D-Max is an Isuzu derivation. Yep, Isuzu does know how to design a diesel - even if they *did* copy Mercedes for one of their smaller ones years back. And you're right, GM has done fine with large diesels, but pickups and cars not so well. The 6.2/6.5s were "ok" if rather lackluster, at least they didn't blow up! Even the much maligned 350 gas conversion was "ok" at the very end of its product cycle from what I've heard - but the damage had been done by then.
    I learned something today! Thanx!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,398 Senior Member
    As an aside that Zorba might appreciate, when I got my new truck the young salesman said I needed Ford pass connect. Ok, so I can check my tire pressure with my phone... yay... Anyway he is punching buttons and finally gets done, gets out of the cab and hands me the phone. I toss it back on the console. He looks at me funny and I just say "We'll just let those two talk to each other while we do the paperwork." The look of confusion over how little I cared about Ford Pass connect was almost worth the price of the truck.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,161 Senior Member
    I just happened to see the death of a Powerstroke diesel Wednesday. He was getting on a freeway on ramp and started to ' roll coal'.......

    Five seconds later the black cloud was a ginormous white cloud.

    Wasn't close enough to hear it. So it could have been just a head gasket but I really doubt it with that much cloud.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • kansashunterkansashunter Senior Member Posts: 1,814 Senior Member
    Zorba, I can't share your worry about an ecu. I have owned many cars, pickups ect and drove many miles and never had a failure. I know it can happen but so can many other things. 
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,659 Senior Member
    edited July 22 #19
    Zorba, I can't share your worry about an ecu. I have owned many cars, pickups ect and drove many miles and never had a failure. I know it can happen but so can many other things. 
    I've had 3 die on me in my time, and they weren't even old. Fortunately, they were all covered under warranty. Again, they're great until they break - electronics just aren't as reliable as (well engineered) mechanics. I have a 43 year old computer here that I'm trying to get going again, it has some problems - and my absolute newest sewing machine is exactly one year older - but its going strong with no problems, never mind the far older ones I have that are as well. I look to the long term - which is increasingly rare in today's throw away society. I don't like buying things twice - or at least any more often than I just have to.
    I do like how an ECU controlled engine runs - and especially starts - and most especially cold starts - that's pretty much "black magic"! Like I said before - at least the ECU actually has a good excuse for existing; it has a tangible benefit. I can't say the same about the rest of modern car electronics.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,859 Senior Member
    Seems to me the Duramax with the new 10 speed Allison is a pretty solid setup. I've had several friends with older Duramax trucks that ran great, but fuel mileage sucked. The Cummins seemed to win that category. Of course, that's 6 cylinders vs 8. But the new 10 speed Allison seems to be making up some ground. A buddy of mine just got a new 2020 Duramax.  His first trip out of town averaged 19mpg cruising 75-80 MPH at about 1600 RPM, he said. Seems a bit better. Probably get better with some break-in and tuning. Get much better with the DEF and emissions crap deleted....
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,659 Senior Member
    If ya gotta have an automatic, they don't get any better than Allison.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    Jay said:
    Probably get better with some break-in and tuning. Get much better with the DEF and emissions crap deleted....
    Banks does it with all that crap still on, esp since the EPA is cracking down on shops bypassing or removing equipment. Emissions legal, fast, and clean


    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    Winston Churchill
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,859 Senior Member
    The area where I live doesn't have emissions testing.  But I will neither confirm nor deny that there are shops around doing the deletes AND tunes on diesel trucks..  ;)
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