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6.5 Creedmoor 147gr ELD-M TAP Precision

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 23,701 Senior Member
So, I have a bunch of this ammo to test and document and collect data on through an AX w/Proof Research Carbon Barrel. 
I looked up the ammo at Hornady and laughed when I read the description. (Highlighted part).


Seems we’ve come a long way since folks suggesting one should not use “Match Bullets” for hunting. 😎
Their LE Site is full of terminal performance data and gel tests. From bare gel, to steel, drywall, wood, etc barriers. 

"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith

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  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,358 Senior Member
    Once again good info for the rest of us.  Thanks
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,701 Senior Member
    😁
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,426 Senior Member
    After seeing a recovered ELD-X from a fairly close shot on an Elk, I wouldnt trust any of the ELD bullets for hunting.  The core/jacket separation and the deformation rather than expansion push me away from it.

    I have heard from multiple sources that the 123 ELD-M and 123 SST are the same bullet.  I have not had a chance to compare the two side by side though.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,701 Senior Member
    edited August 10 #6
    I’ve not tried any ELD-X bullets, yet. But, I’ve been nothing but pleased with several hundred terminal uses over the years of both A-Max and ELD-Match on medium game. 

    That’s why we have choices. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,426 Senior Member
    If my memory is correct the A-Max and ELD-M were fragmenting correct?  The ELD-X I am referring to to deformed (kinda banana shaped) and the core came out of the jacket with no expansion above caliber diameter.  I call that a failure.

    I should clarify, the 123gr bullets I was referring to are 6.5mm.  Both are common in the Grendel and the 123 SST does shoot well in my Howa.

    I do question how different the ELD-M and ELD-X bullets actually are though.  Wouldnt it make sense to build them with the same construction method?  I dont recall the M being much cheaper than the X and I would think that it would be cheaper to make the M than the X given the supposed InterLock ring the X is supposed to have in it.

    I am looking at the 142 ABLR for my Grendel and 6.5x55 as it is supposed to be a very high BC bullet with a very low lower expansion limit.  I do like how some of the target bullet design ideas are working their way over to the hunting bullet lines with the sleeker profiles and hopefully flatter trajectories.
  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,358 Senior Member
    Would love to see how the all copper bullets fair on a Zee hunt.

  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,701 Senior Member
    No, the A-Max (in non-.224 Bullets) doesn’t fragment and even the 80gr .224 bullet didn’t fragment on a deer. Yes, I have had some cup/core separation on occasion. But, after ample penetration and usually after heavy bone impact. But, I’ve never had one fail to provide dramatic and effective terminal performance. 

    No, the ELD-M and X are not the same. Their descriptions and jackets are different. If you have questions.......call Hornady. 

    You tend to way overthink things. At least, reading your posts, it seems that way. Not a slight or a bad thing. Just.....tedious sometimes and puts me at a loss for words on how to answer. 

    Probably just means you’re smarter than me. 😁
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,701 Senior Member
    pjames777 said:
    Would love to see how the all copper bullets fair on a Zee hunt.

    I used a Barnes TSX out of a .223 on one of the biggest pigs I’ve ever killed. One shot through the heart killed him with a perfect mushroom on the off side. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,426 Senior Member
    Thank you for the clarification.  I work too much and as a result memory of some things becomes fuzzy at best.


  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,701 Senior Member
    Hell, I forget who I am half the time. That’s why I write my name on my bathroom mirror. 😁
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 5,481 Senior Member
    Zee said:

    Probably just means you’re smarter than me. 😁
    If his shoes are on the correct foot he’s got you... 😁
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,701 Senior Member
    ****!!!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,900 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Hell, I forget who I am half the time. That’s why I write my name on my bathroom mirror. 😁

    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,425 Senior Member
    It was nice seeing the Gel plus other barrier info.
    "compared to standard 308 WIN offerings," means....150-165 grain hunting bullets?
    How does it compare to the 168 TAP ammo?
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,425 Senior Member
    When I Compared using their software the Creed did well.
    I was curious to actual speeds you might typically get.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,701 Senior Member
    How does it compare to the 168 TAP ammo?
    Haven’t shot anything with it........yet. 

    It may become a primary rifle cartridge this season. Just for data. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,701 Senior Member
    When I Compared using their software the Creed did well.
    I was curious to actual speeds you might typically get.
    We will see. The rifle is a 20” barrel, though. So, not gonna be earth shattering. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,701 Senior Member
    If I get the boys rifle set up in time, he’ll use the Creedmoor exclusively this season. Not sure which bullet, though. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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