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Here we go again, HOA overreach...

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,453 Senior Member
    Well, then you lost me. Ferget it, ain't worth it...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,946 Senior Member
    DrawbarFlats said:
    ETA: Makes me wonder if some of the members here will "turn em' all in" when the 2A is repealed - (sarc) after all, it's a "legally binding contract" ... right?  
    And when would I have agreed to and signed this fictitious contract??
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Regarding outside lights, mine are on a photocell setup. Lights go on shortly after sun goes down. They only illuminate the yard and provide enough light for my 2 game cameras to take good pics of 4 legged and the occasional 2 legged critters that come into their range. Third camera is set to video only now; get some interesting stuff on that one, from time to time. 
    And I still say that the people running the show in the HOAs are brown shirt Nazis and the spawn of Beelzebub. My opinion on them. 
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 13,280 Senior Member
    Moving into an HOA neighborhood is stupid tax, you deserve all the crap you get, you signed up for it, if you can live with the stupid tax, you should be just fine, if you complain about the tax, well, enjoy your stay.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,946 Senior Member
    tennmike said:

    And I still say that the people running the show in the HOAs are brown shirt Nazis and the spawn of Beelzebub. My opinion on them. 
    I agree 100% which is why there's no way in hell I'll ever live somewhere WITH a HOA
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,548 Senior Member
    We got flags here in the hood'.

    No HOA. 
    My yard looks like an aftermath. At least the back part. Neighbors got chickens right behind me. I can hear roosters crowing in the morning. Dogs howling at night. Sirens 24/7.. We do have speed bumps. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Very noisey as vehicles crash over them full speed. Hindsight..... Probly a few third world residents here that would struggle to spell HOA.. 
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,229 Senior Member
    Depending on your geographical location finding a home without an HOA can be challenging. Having recently moved back to the Northern Colorado area we found it near impossible to avoid them. Some older, run down areas offered no HOA's but anywhere we actually wanted to be had them. We signed the contract fully aware of the limitations it imposes and will try our best to abide. It's really not a big deal as far as I'm concerned.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,511 Senior Member
    And THIS, is why I live in a 1000 square foot cabin surrounded by nearly a million acres of National Forest...the only thing I have to put up with is a musty old bear that raids my hummingbird feeders...
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  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,229 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    And THIS, is why I live in a 1000 square foot cabin surrounded by nearly a million acres of National Forest...the only thing I have to put up with is a musty old bear that raids my hummingbird feeders...
    That's my retirement plan with any luck. But for now, I need to be near enough to my hospital for emergency call. So as much as I dislike HOA's it's a necessary evil at the present. 
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    I like my POA.  The rules I signed up to keep the neighborhood consistent, appealing and property values up and rising.  From a personal perspective, I will never violate a contract I’ve signed willingly.  My signature is my bond.  

    The way I see it, If I hope to have any moral ground to stand on as I try to keep my government accountable for the contracts THEY signed such as the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the laws that protect me, I should not wipe my ass with the ones I disagree with.  

    But I have the right to try to change them through legal methods, or move somewhere else as when I left the NE for the South.

    If you live tucked in the middle of a forest I can see no need for any rules besides your own.  But when your neighbor is 20 feet away from you and he’s let his yard turn into a dump or decides his house should be **** colored with purple shutters then POA rules protect me.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

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  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 2,122 Senior Member
    GunNut said:


    But when your neighbor is 20 feet away from you
    And this is what I will avoid at all costs with my current property search.  I am not anti-social, but I like my privacy.  My goal is to not be able to see my neighbor's house from my own and to own enough acreage that nobody can build anything where I can see it from my house.

  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,839 Senior Member
    In Florida, that can't happen with HOA's. The HOA laws are weak, and it's in the state law that the only reason a home can be taken by the county is for unpaid property taxes. The HOA can however polace a lien on the property. I'm surprised that the state involved in this can 'steal' a home for just HOA penalties.
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  • DrawbarFlatsDrawbarFlats Posts: 788 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #44
    In Florida, that can't happen with HOA's. The HOA laws are weak, and it's in the state law that the only reason a home can be taken by the county is for unpaid property taxes. The HOA can however polace a lien on the property. I'm surprised that the state involved in this can 'steal' a home for just HOA penalties.
    Same in S. Utah. There's a flag or flag pole on many properties where I live. The clubhouse has a rather large flag flying. Our HOA actually loans out flags every Memorial and Independence Day for those who want to display them. The HOA here even lines them on the entrance to our community on the week of observance. Guy down the street has a Gadsden flag flying. Our little hamlet would cause a nervous breakdown to the tofu crowd. ... And Christmas decorations? - libs would go insane. 
  • DrawbarFlatsDrawbarFlats Posts: 788 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #45
    knitepoet said:
    DrawbarFlats said:
    ETA: Makes me wonder if some of the members here will "turn em' all in" when the 2A is repealed - (sarc) after all, it's a "legally binding contract" ... right?  
    And when would I have agreed to and signed this fictitious contract??

    1. The moment you became a U.S. citizen.
    2. 2A repealment/gun control fictitious? yeah, ... okaaay. 
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    And THIS, is why I live in a 1000 square foot cabin surrounded by nearly a million acres of National Forest...the only thing I have to put up with is a musty old bear that raids my hummingbird feeders...
    And why I live on a 175 acre farm WAY out in the country in the ridges. Hell, I can't even see my closest neighbor's house when the leaves are gone in winter and he's only a quarter mile away. And I mow the freakin' grass when the notion strikes me. I like it that way.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,453 Senior Member
    I'm not particularly interested in rising property values - just sayin'. Rising property values means rising property TAX! If the next door neighbor wants to paint his house shocking purple with chartreuse trim, more power to him. Doesn't affect me in the slightest. People and their insistence on conformity - "Mindless Conformity to Meaningless Convention" (MC)^2 - next thing I know somebody will tell me that men can't wear skirts because nobody else does! ;)

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,946 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    DrawbarFlats said:
    ETA: Makes me wonder if some of the members here will "turn em' all in" when the 2A is repealed - (sarc) after all, it's a "legally binding contract" ... right?  
    And when would I have agreed to and signed this fictitious contract??

    1. The moment you became a U.S. citizen.
    2. 2A repealment/gun control fictitious? yeah, ... okaaay. 
    And you're comparing apples to horseshoes, guess you're arguing because I hurt your feelings or something. C'est la vie


    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,946 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #49
    GunNut said:
    <snip> From a personal perspective, I will never violate a contract I’ve signed willingly.  My signature is my bond.  

    The way I see it, If I hope to have any moral ground to stand on as I try to keep my government accountable for the contracts THEY signed such as the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the laws that protect me, I should not wipe my ass with the ones I disagree with.  

    But I have the right to try to change them through legal methods, or move somewhere else as when I left the NE for the South. <snip>

    EXACTLY!!!!!
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    When I had 56 acres around me I didn’t have any issues and I’ll get back there again.  In the meantime I have to make the beat of my address right now.  I moved here to help my in-laws through their later years after my FIL was diagnosed with Dementia.  He’s gone now and Mom is still less than a mile from me so I’m kind’a the man around the house in charge if he honey do list.  When that ends then I’m free to move to the mountains and away from civilization again.  Sometimes an address is not a choice.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,460 Senior Member
    "Sometimes an address is not a choice".

    You can say that again.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • DrawbarFlatsDrawbarFlats Posts: 788 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    knitepoet said:
    DrawbarFlats said:
    ETA: Makes me wonder if some of the members here will "turn em' all in" when the 2A is repealed - (sarc) after all, it's a "legally binding contract" ... right?  
    And when would I have agreed to and signed this fictitious contract??

    1. The moment you became a U.S. citizen.
    2. 2A repealment/gun control fictitious? yeah, ... okaaay. 
    And you're comparing apples to horseshoes, guess you're arguing because I hurt your feelings or something. C'est la vie


    No feelings hurt on my part. My skin is tougher than a Neanderthal corpse frozen on an ancient daffodil field. 
  • JaphyJaphy Posts: 127 Member
    I am anti hoa to the core but here all developed land with services police, fire, water, etc invariably has seed restrictions and without an hoa none of those restrictions may be removed. So both my wife and I and a couple Like minded friends down the street are board members.
    if you don’t like the rules then change the rules. 

    I remember reading locally about an hoa flag case here. It was a Tea Party flag. 
    After losing the flag case the guy had a Tea Party flag printed on a yard sign which were permitted. I enjoy such creativity!
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,548 Senior Member
    Good fences?

    Are better than an HOA?

    Hermits are happier thsn good neighbors?

    My future plans lean heavily towards being a hermit. YMMV
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,453 Senior Member
    Japhy said:
    I am anti hoa to the core but here all developed land with services police, fire, water, etc invariably has deed restrictions and without an hoa none of those restrictions may be removed. So both my wife and I and a couple Like minded friends down the street are board members.
    if you don’t like the rules then change the rules. 

    I remember reading locally about an hoa flag case here. It was a Tea Party flag. 
    After losing the flag case the guy had a Tea Party flag printed on a yard sign which were permitted. I enjoy such creativity!
    Can someone explain why this is? Is it because of crooked building departments insistence, or because people want HOAs so the new houses sell better?
    Getting rid of rules/laws once they're in place is a lot harder than it sounds.

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Great OutdoorsGreat Outdoors Member Posts: 323 Member
    Many HOA's nationwide were required under pollution control laws- laws that require rainwater runoff to be managed to prevent flooding, erosion, provide collection points that trap contaminates from roadways, lawn fertilizer, herbicides etc.

     It's one of the reasons neighborhoods are dotted with small ponds- pollution collection points- so don't eat the fish.

    One of the other requirements were the development and collection of impact fees- every house that gets built has a detrimental impact on existing infrastructure- these fees were "supposed" to help maintain existing infrastructure and also build more as the demand required.

    As typical of govt- these fees usually are robbed for other uses- maintenance and construction is not performed as required- so they raise taxes to pay for something that was already paid for.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,460 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #57
    Truth.

    Here in Colorado Springs, we voters passed a pretty large street-improvement tax 4 years ago. 
    It was a pretty substantial increase, but the pot-holes were beginning to become pretty severe. We, as voters, were told this would fix the problem.

    2 years later, another tax was proposed for the same purpose and we asked why. We were then told that the original tax increase was intended to cover only 27% of the city streets.

    I've voted for every street improvement tax the city council has put forth for years. And I'm still swerving around the same pot-holes I've dodged for a decade.

    Mike


    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,548 Senior Member
    Yep. No accountability. I started voting no on everything 5 or 6 years ago.

    Same thing with the marajawana money. Sucked righ down the administrative theft hole. 

    Tell me all these new residents don't mean new revenue??? There's good reasons why the old west tarred and feathered sticky fingered four flushers.....
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,453 Senior Member
    Many HOA's nationwide were required under pollution control laws- laws that require rainwater runoff to be managed to prevent flooding, erosion, provide collection points that trap contaminates from roadways, lawn fertilizer, herbicides etc.

     It's one of the reasons neighborhoods are dotted with small ponds- pollution collection points- so don't eat the fish.

    One of the other requirements were the development and collection of impact fees- every house that gets built has a detrimental impact on existing infrastructure- these fees were "supposed" to help maintain existing infrastructure and also build more as the demand required.

    As typical of govt- these fees usually are robbed for other uses- maintenance and construction is not performed as required- so they raise taxes to pay for something that was already paid for.
    I'm not seeing it from your description. These are all things that have to do with how the neighborhood is built, not the formation of an HOA. Or if the HOA is needed to maintain some of the runoff infrastructure, they should *ONLY* be concerned with that, and not with trash cans, paint colors, RV parking, etc, etc. Yet, we're inundated with this crap - a pseudo/shadow gov't with little accountability run by Napoleonic Nazis. But, like Socialism, a LOT of people want this - they want things to be "taken care of" from cradle to grave, never mind the brainless love affair with conformity. That's why its virtually impossible to get rid of their overreach - it isn't so simple to just "change the rules" as most people are busybodies at heart.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,453 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #60
    My wife reminded me: One of her clients is trying to sell their house. They have not one, not two, but THREE separate HOAs, each with their own fees! I think two of them have to do with infrastructure maintenance; the third is, I'm sure, the usual "conformity enforcement and meddling crowd".
    Someone here mentioned HOAs keeping property values up/rising? That's not the case here, they've had multiple buyers bail on them because of the multiple HOAs. They've dropped their price $20K so far...
    The HOA at the condo we rent out tried last year to ram through a $50/mo increase for cable TV. They were all "hot to trot" for it, and ASS-U-ME-ed that everyone else was too. It was rightfully defeated. I would have had to have passed the cost on to my tenants, but if I still lived there, I'd have been stuck. Worse, it was going to be with Spectrum, the absolute worst CableCo in existence as far as I'm concerned.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,548 Senior Member
    News story this morning.

    Neighborhood lost all their street parking to new bike lanes. Neighbors complain. At least give us certain times we can park? City says we have bicyclist safety foremost in mind. Hey, you want bike lanes? Fine, put in some parking lots scattered strategically through the neighborhood. Place was built without proper supportive infrastructure. Home owners bought with street parking. City took their tax money, and said too bad, bend over, buy a bike.

    HOA?
    Where's the pitch fork mob? That's what's needed. Figuratively speaking of course.
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