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Light strikes or bad ammo ?

JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
Went out today to try that double barrel shotgun.
I only brought some old paper shells.
I'm kind of on the fence if the strikes were just too light or the shells were just no good ?

So figured I'd ask 

And I know AL likes pictures
So just one of it.

I do have more modern shells to try but definitely want to find out soon as I have hunts planned for my son.




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  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,082 Senior Member
    Looks like a weak strike to me. Different ammo may give a better result. Not sure how hard it is to get to the springs, I've been to afraid to take mine apart to replace a sear :s
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,317 Senior Member
    Not a shotgun pro, but that sure looks like a pretty light strike to me.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,357 Senior Member
    Not a shotgun pro, but that sure looks like a pretty light strike to me.

    Mike
    what he said.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,205 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #5
    Before you take it apart, try different ammo.
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,317 Senior Member
    While shotgun primers don't usually exhibit the flattened corner radius rifle primers do....those primers show nearly factory corner radius.  They didn't even try to go off. Try different ammo, as SPK said. If you get similar results.....it's the spring.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,213 Senior Member
    How old is that ammo?
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,843 Senior Member
    Primer strikes look good to me-----did you only try and shoot those two rnds?
    I got some old paper shells from my Uncle----some shot and some did not.

    That stuff could be 60 yrs old.
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    How old is that ammo?
    Good question it's old enough I don't remember the box as a kid.
    Sears Roebuck and co. Mallard picture box and paper not plastic.

    To me it looks right on the edge where they should have fired.

  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,843 Senior Member
    Take the shot and powder out of a couple more and try and shoot the primers in the garage if ya can't just go outside a pop a couple.


  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    Before you take it apart, try different ammo.
    Definitely 
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,716 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    How old is that ammo?
    Good question it's old enough I don't remember the box as a kid.
    Sears Roebuck and co. Mallard picture box and paper not plastic.

    To me it looks right on the edge where they should have fired.

    Me too...
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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    Looks like a weak strike to me. Different ammo may give a better result. Not sure how hard it is to get to the springs, I've been to afraid to take mine apart to replace a sear :s
    Just do it ....
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    While shotgun primers don't usually exhibit the flattened corner radius rifle primers do....those primers show nearly factory corner radius.  They didn't even try to go off. Try different ammo, as SPK said. If you get similar results.....it's the spring.

    Mike
    Mike I don't know if any of that would really change until after ignition? 
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    On the bright side the shells ejected really well.
    Love the single trigger too.
    I'm a wuss and afraid of those two trigger ones.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,317 Senior Member
    While shotgun primers don't usually exhibit the flattened corner radius rifle primers do....those primers show nearly factory corner radius.  They didn't even try to go off. Try different ammo, as SPK said. If you get similar results.....it's the spring.

    Mike
    Mike I don't know if any of that would really change until after ignition? 
    I agree....but the pin indentation didn't seem to disturb the corner radius of the primers at all, even though one strike is obviously off-center. Should have been a bit of  a difference, even without ignition.

    Try different ammo. Clean the firing pin hole...or, ...god help me.....even spray some CRC Brake cleaner 
    in the FP hole and dry-fire before squirting some WD40 in there. Keep dry firing. Until you're bored.

    Try again with ammo of known age/pedigree.. If no goodie.....change the spring.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    Already took out some plastic ones to try Mike.
    Still a bit old but post 1960.
    I'll give an update tomorrow. 


  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,468 Senior Member
    Yeah.  Try different ammo.  I've seen new top end buckshot with an occasional super hard primer that gives duds with shallow impact craters very similar to what you have there.
    WWJMBD?

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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,138 Senior Member
    Those shells are older than bias ply white side walls.

    You know what to do.


  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #21
    I think I'll go with a no on that until proven otherwise.
    .


    So stay away from those ? :smile:
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Those are light primer strikes for sure, at least in my opinion. Try new shotshells first, and if that doesn't work then do this. First thing to check is firing pin protrusion and that's going to require disassembly. So check the firing pin channels first on disassembly, and then measure firing pin protrusion.. Crud buildup can stop firing pins from going fully forward. Clean firing pin channels and then push firing pins forward for protrusion measurement again. If there is a marked difference then you may have found the  culprit. Last thing that could be the culprit is the hammer springs being weak.
    That box of shotshells looks like 1960s stuff, but if it was stored in cool dry place, then they should shoot.

    Don't know the shotgun and can't look up internals, but there should be a spring in front of each firing pin to push it back so  shotgun can be opened without firing pins scraping the shell heads. Those springs are where the crud builds up from oil and dust.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,213 Senior Member
    Surely you have some ammo that's not as old as I am....I'm not entirely convinced those are light strikes...


    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    Mike I plan on trying it tomorrow with better shells
    I sent some kroil down the firing pin holes today when I got home.

    Scott ....maybe......lol

  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,317 Senior Member
    I think I'll go with a no on that until proven otherwise.
    .


    So stay away from those ? :smile:
    I didn't think anyone would remember those!!! Thanks for the blast from the past!

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    Remember  ?
    I even still have a CIL gun here.
    Whiz bangs and more....:)
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,159 Senior Member
    I have a couple of shotguns that do that.  One's an old .410 that probably has a weak spring or a worn/broke firing pin.  The other is a 20 gauge Stevens 310 double.  One barrel will file.  The other won't.

    I've been telling myself for at least 20 years that I'll have those fixed one of these days. :)
    Jerry

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  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #28
    Jerry I just cant ever leave a gun broken. I have to fix them.


    Guess it was the shells.
    Tried some others today and bang bang.
    Glad I don't have to take it apart.
    Oh and it hits true.




  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,138 Senior Member
    Maybe the Kroil helped too.

    Happy guns! Happy day!
  • JunkCollectorJunkCollector Posts: 656 Senior Member
    Maybe the Kroil helped too.

    Happy guns! Happy day!
    It very well could have Mike.
    Having it go off probably did it some more good too.
    Loosening anything else up.
    Sometime I'll try those paper ones again and see what happens.



  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Jerry I just cant ever leave a gun broken. I have to fix them.


    Guess it was the shells.
    Tried some others today and bang bang.
    Glad I don't have to take it apart.
    Oh and it hits true.




    Those firing pin indents look a lot deeper. So I guess the Kroil worked in softening up some crud in the firing pin channels.
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