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Big Al1Big Al1 Senior MemberPosts: 7,928 Senior Member
Saw this old pistol at an LGS today. Looks like an old Smith but I don't think it is, says Odin-Orion on the frame. Patent date of 1886, I think!




Looks kinds like a .44 or a .45 Schofield??

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  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    Coming up empty on Odin-Orion.
  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,010 Senior Member
    No help but it looks pretty cool. Did you bring it home?
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #4
    Looks like a lot of Iver Johnson or Smith's
     from the period. But I can't find one with the plate on the left side.
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,798 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #5
    Smith/Schofield Model 3 perhaps. Side plate looks the same along with most other features.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,888 Senior Member
    Wikipedia lists counterfeit copies.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_&_Wesson_Model_3

    I don't see an Odin Orion there. Also the the internet pics show a much lower hammer spur than pistol in question.
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    sakodude said:
    No help but it looks pretty cool. Did you bring it home?
    I was tempted a little but it dosen't lock up well and the muzzle was oval shaped!!
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,326 Senior Member
    Looks almost identical to my old .38 S&W Smiths!!!
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  • JustsomedudeJustsomedude Posts: 607 Senior Member
    Not that caliber, but I've worked on one of those. IIRC, it said something about "bicycle company" somewhere on it. I specifically remember that shape side plate but its been a while.
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,326 Senior Member

    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Not that caliber, but I've worked on one of those. IIRC, it said something about "bicycle company" somewhere on it. I specifically remember that shape side plate but its been a while.
    That's the info I needed. It's an Iver Johnson .38
    Image result for old iver johnson 38 revolver stock photo
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,143 Senior Member
    Big Al1 said:
    sakodude said:
    No help but it looks pretty cool. Did you bring it home?
    I was tempted a little but it dosen't lock up well and the muzzle was oval shaped!!
    Maybe you can cast some oval shaped bullets?
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,861 Senior Member
    edited September 2020 #13
    There's a current thread on the S&W forum regarding old, top break revolvers, not S&W.  A lot of folks made them back in the day.  You could buy one by mail for $10.  If that one in the OP has an oval barrel, could mean it was carried a lot, wearing the sides.  If the bore is oval, then something else is going on.  One guy there collects old top break inexpensive revolvers.  I doubt he shoots them, though he's a wealth of knowledge for someone interested.

    ETA:  If it's an Iver Johnson it should have the address on the rib.  They made a lot of guns with different names.  (Just checked on the S&W forum for this info).  Also, apparently these top break guns are liked by the SASS shooters who do shoot them in side matches, whatever that is. 
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Thanks Gene! The lettering on the rib is worn off and not readable. The muzzle is washed out, hence the oval shape. Old BP gun of course!!
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,861 Senior Member
    At one time, I knew and worked with a guy who was one of those actors in an "Old West" town situations.  He had a Colt SA that was his character gun and the muzzle of it was worn oval from drawing it over the years.  He was somewhat of an ****, carried away with his role playing.  He did whip tricks, too.  Once he tried to snap a cigarette out of the mouth of his wife, who was also a role player. His aim was off and he hit her nose. Left a welt.  Anyway, it must have taken years to wear the muzzle down on that old Colt.  The OP top break might have been carried a whole lot and drawn.  Probably has a history.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
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