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308 Winchester for some doe hunting later this week

Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior MemberPosts: 7,581 Senior Member
How many of you guys use a 308 Winchester for hunting?
Dan Ekstrom and I plan to go to the edge of the Bighorns, just north of Buffalo, outside of a little town named Story later this week to attempt to fill some doe tags.
We will be still hunting...Doing the sneaky sneak, and then in the afternoon, we will hunker down on the ground somewhere in what each of thinks will be an area where deer will be moving. 
Not sure which handgun Dan will use, but I plan to take my center-grip 308 Winchester XP-100 and use some factory ammo I have one hand: Hornady TAP 168 grain (A-Max), which has a MV of 2445 fps. 
I have shot this XP out to 1000 yards on steel, so I figure it should do fine to the close distances I will be hunting-Under 250 yards, with most shots closer to around 100 yards. 
I set all of my pistols up with a 100 yard zero. 
It will drop 5 inches at 200 yards or I could dial or use the FFP reticle at 2.5 MOA for a spot on kill.

It has a reworked stock, and it has been bedded.
I bought this off of Gunbroker as a rear grip set-up at a good price, and it turned out to be a gem.
Someone had set it up for IHMSA, so it is a lightweight XP-100, with a 14.5" fluted barrel. 
Glenn (a friend from church) helped me rework a flawed stock and bed it. 
They kept the original recoil lug, when chambering/fitting the custom H-S barrel, which was designed for the center-grip trigger, so all I had to do was grab a spare trigger linkage, which I had, remove the trigger that was on it, put on the center-grip trigger, and I was set!
Mac's Gunworks added one of their solid-bottomed brakes, and Chuck did some adjustment work on the trigger as well. 
H-S Precision did the metal work on it, with their name on the barrel, so I am guessing they built this before they started making their HSP/pistol action.
Scope is a Burris XTR-II 3-15 with the SCR MOA reticle.

Ernie

"The Un-Tactical"
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,308 Senior Member
    When I read Buffalo, my first thought was "Ernie is going to New York".
    Wishing you luck that the animals show up, we all know you have the skills if you get the shot.
    Good Luck, cant wait to see the photos
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member
    Good luck on the hunt. Good looking gun!

    I’ve used the .308 Win once or twice on game. 😁
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,581 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    When I read Buffalo, my first thought was "Ernie is going to New York".
    Wishing you luck that the animals show up, we all know you have the skills if you get the shot.
    Good Luck, cant wait to see the photos

    Going to New York with a big handgun would probably not be a good thing o:)
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,581 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Good luck on the hunt. Good looking gun!

    I’ve used the .308 Win once or twice on game. 😁

    I have heard that you have some fledgling attempts with a 308. 
    Have you had any bullets bounce off animals yet?
    Every time I shoot a 308 Win, I think of you <3
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,159 Senior Member
    Good luck, Ernie.  Don't shoot it in the backstrap. :)
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,355 Senior Member
    Good luck on the hunt!

    I use the 308 a lot on whitetail.  My two “go to” guns are both in .308Win.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,545 Senior Member
    edited December 2020 #8
    Wife "sort of" hunts with a 308 Win.
    I say "sort of" because she's very recoil sensitive, so I'm using slightly modified Hodgdon youth data. They suggest 38.0gr of H4895 with a 125gr NBT, and I'm loading them 40.0gr which gives me ~2450 from her short Ruger Compact.


    This is the exit on the doe she killed the other day from 25 yards away.

    Needless to say, no tracking required :D  B)
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,581 Senior Member
    Don't shoot it in the backstrap. :)

    I will try not to do that.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,581 Senior Member
    I ran/drove out to Chuck's/Mac's Gunworks today to drop off a Joy-Pod, and pick up my 25 PRC XP. I grabbed my 308 Win XP just to make sure everything was on.
    There was a couple of guys and a gal shooting when I got there.
    The guy was shooting of all things, a bolt rifle in 308 Winchester.
    The lady had been shooting a 223 AR-15.
    I knew the guy that was spotting for them (Dave L), but the other two were a first time acquaintance.
    Since Dave was there, I asked him if he could spot for me at 500 yards.
    Originally, I was going to shoot paper at 100 yards and then a 5" steel at 200, and 10" steel at 300 yards, from a seated position and some double kneeling.
    But since he was set-up for 500, I told him I would start there.
    At the last minute, I decided I would shoot it double-kneeling with the Bog Gear and PSR top and small field bag.  Why not make it more challenging B)
    Dialed 13.5 MOA (168 grain TAP ammo) and dialed 1 MOA left for the wind.
    Took me awhile to get steady at 500 yards, but smacked it first shot.
    Reloaded, and moved hastily to 300 yards (5.5 MOA), again double kneeling, and saw the cross-hair drop at the shot.   I called it just low and Dave confirmed it-Rats!
    Then, I moved to the 5" steel at 200 yards and smacked it from the same position.
    Hunting this week will likely involve a sitting shot, with my back resting against a tree-Tripod will be lower and more stable than double kneeling.
    Don't tell anyone, but I enjoy shooting this XP.
    Talked Dave into shooting it from the bench (Harris bi-pod and small field bag) and he nailed the 300 yard steel first time.
    The 308 Win XP-100 is ready to go!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member
    Dialed wind?!?
    :sacrilege:
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member
    I need to put the .308 Win barrel back on my MOA Maximum!  It’s currently sporting the .338-06!  
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,581 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Dialed wind?!?
    :sacrilege:

    I actually thought of you for about that lo..n...g, and dialed it B)
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,581 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    I need to put the .308 Win barrel back on my MOA Maximum!  It’s currently sporting the .338-06!  

    Do It!!!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,313 Senior Member
    edited December 2020 #16
    The first deer I ever killed was with a .308 Win. It was the smallest deer I've ever shot. It left the area minus half a lung and most of a heart. It was the only deer I've ever shot that required tracking., and I'm really glad it wasn't able to jump across the creek it stumbled into. Therefore.....308 Win is not only an inadequate deer-round, but a terrible one.

    Why would you purposely hinder yourself with such a choice, when .270 Win is readily available?

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bellcatbellcat Senior Member Posts: 1,929 Senior Member
    Good luck! Looks like a fun hunt!
    "Kindness is the language the deaf can hear and the blind can see." Mark Twain
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,159 Senior Member
    The first rifle I ever bought with my own money was a .308.  It was a Winchester Model 88 (no surprise there).  I bought it for $144 in 1968 (I think) when I was 16.  The seller threw in a Weaver 4x scope (K4) with mounts and rings.  I had worked in a gas station that summer, and it cost me half of what I made that summer.

    I killed 5 or 6 deer with it, including my one and only Texas/desert mule deer before it was stolen.  The gun is gone, but the love remans.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 3,937 Senior Member
    Good luck on the hunt, Ernie. 
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,581 Senior Member
    Thanks!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,355 Senior Member
    I’m loving the special purpose pistols.  Need to get a bolt action one next
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member
    I’m loving the special purpose pistols.  Need to get a bolt action one next
    Yes. Yes you do!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,355 Senior Member
     Holy crap- all of the factory bolt pistols are really expensive.  This may be a “One Peice at a time” sort of build.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member
    edited December 2020 #25
     Holy crap- all of the factory bolt pistols are really expensive.  This may be a “One Peice at a time” sort of build.
    That’s my recommendation. 

    And it gets built right that way. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member
    The MOA Maximum is back in .308 Win configuration. 

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,581 Senior Member
    Nice. 
    Our friend Matt is hunting deer with his new to him 250 Savage MOA Maximum.  It has a brake as well 
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,581 Senior Member
    I’m loving the special purpose pistols.  Need to get a bolt action pistol 
    Look at the CVA pistols 
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,355 Senior Member
    I’m loving the special purpose pistols.  Need to get a bolt action pistol 
    Look at the CVA pistols 
    I have the scout pistol in .243.... and a TC in 454.  Just thinking I need a bolt action repeater as the next step
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member
    Cheapest route would be a custom encore bull barrel with 1-8” twist and threaded to take your suppressor. 

    My vote. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,772 Senior Member
    So, all this talk inspired me to get the MOA back out and running. 

    Zeroed it .8” high (was trying for 1” but....close enough😒) at 100 yards and chronographed it for the first time, I think. 


    Put the data in StrelokPro and then took a shot at 300 yards. 


    Seemed to work. 

    She’s all ready for whatever is next. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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