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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,645 Senior Member

    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • BigDanSBigDanS Senior Member Posts: 6,992 Senior Member
    Last ammo shortage convinced me as an enthusiast, it was my responsibility to have the ability and to know how to make my own ammo. It’s a pity making primer and powder is so dangerous. ( primer is an explosive ) .

    D
    "A patriot is mocked, scorned and hated; yet when his cause succeeds, all men will join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain
    Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.... now who's bringing the hot wings? :jester:
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 6,720 Senior Member
    A local shop is getting $50+ for a pound of powder! Yikes 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,937 Senior Member
    I scan prices on GB and a bunch of other sites every day as a routine.  I need to because I'm constantly in need of training ammo.  I also sold most of my excess components during the high time at a huge premium to fund my personal business growth.  That's how I paid for all my training guns and a bunch of other equipment like steel plates and such without having to tap my home budget.

    I can tell you that things are slowing down, FAST.  I'm seeing ammo sitting around because folks are sticking to panic pricing, just like a few years ago when we had that last .22 panic.  The ammo that is moving is priced roughly at 1.5- 2x the pre-panic prices.  You won't see that at the stores or the big websites yet (home of the newbie shoppers) yet but you can find it online with just a little shopping around.

    Primers are still an issue because folks are still hoarding or loading ammo they believe they can sell for panic prices (which is no longer the case) and because there has been an EXPLOSION of illegal ammo manufacturers during this panic.  But large pistol primers and all rifles primers are starting to come down and small pistil primers are the last holdout.

    Just don't contribute to the panic.  Only buy what you need, there's always more out there.  And we'll be out of the woods soon.



    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • JaphyJaphy Posts: 99 Member
    Excerpt from GunNut:
    I can tell you that things are slowing down, FAST.  I'm seeing ammo sitting around because folks are sticking to panic pricing, just like a few years ago when we had that last .22 panic.  The ammo that is moving is priced roughly at 1.5- 2x the pre-panic prices.  You won't see that at the stores or the big websites yet (home of the newbie shoppers) yet but you can find it online with just a little shopping around.
    Agree!  here a local gun club had 9mm fmj 1000 rnd lots for about $1k after tax.  Now 3 weeks later they still have it listed but same price which means at $1/rnd it isn't selling.  I also saw Sellier-Bellot 9mm JHP for $23 / 50 recently.  That sold out very quickly.
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,937 Senior Member
    edited April 8 #97
    Japhy said:
    Excerpt from GunNut:
    I can tell you that things are slowing down, FAST.  I'm seeing ammo sitting around because folks are sticking to panic pricing, just like a few years ago when we had that last .22 panic.  The ammo that is moving is priced roughly at 1.5- 2x the pre-panic prices.  You won't see that at the stores or the big websites yet (home of the newbie shoppers) yet but you can find it online with just a little shopping around.
    Agree!  here a local gun club had 9mm fmj 1000 rnd lots for about $1k after tax.  Now 3 weeks later they still have it listed but same price which means at $1/rnd it isn't selling.  I also saw Sellier-Bellot 9mm JHP for $23 / 50 recently.  That sold out very quickly.
    Just saw Tula which a few weeks ago was selling north of $700 for $499 on sale and that's $100 less than what it was on "sale" for 2 weeks ago.  Same outfit so I'm thinking it's not moving as fast as they thought it would...

    And I've found a pretty steady supply of good, new commercial brass FMJ 9mm for under $30/50.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • NightHawkNightHawk Posts: 1 New Member
    What I've seen are a lot of the big online sites seem to be price gauging since there are still people willing to pay the price (though not as much now).
    For example I stopped by my local small gun shop a couple days ago since they said they received a small quantity of ammo in. I was just looking for some 22LR to take the wife up shooting with her new gun (the one caliber I didn't have). They had a brick of 500, Win. M-22 40 grn for $52.99, I needed it so I bought it. Just today I saw the exact brick of ammo online at one of the big sites for $249.89 +shipping, for .22 ammo?? Really??
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,817 Senior Member
    Down here ammo is arriving in small lots; a handful from US manufacturers and a tad more but still very little from European makers. Prices have increased 70% or more, specially for centerfire rifle cartridges, and calibers shrunk to a few "basic" variations. 
    Local manufacturer has no components supply (Powder, primers and rifle bullets) so the cheapest option is no longer available for civilians and only small lots for government contracts.

    People isn't hoarding due to the crisis and just buying the essential. Most (Like me) are slowly burning their stashes while waiting/hoping for prices to drop in the future at least a bit, something that I strongly doubt will happen. Even worse, we´re on the verge of having a new president and favorite candidate is a communist maoist who's ruling plans specifically say they'll ban almost all civilian gun ownership and specially CCW and self defense, and turn us into another Venezuela, with state-armed militias in charge of security instead of the police.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,278 Senior Member
    Praise the Lord and pass the back order?
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,289 Senior Member
    Big Boy airguns if things don't change.
    I'm eyeballing a .50 right now.
    👍


    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,496 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    Big Boy airguns if things don't change.
    Airguns. . .would it be correct to say "That blows"? ;)

    Makes you wonder if the anti's next step would be to outlaw air.

    Intriguing, if they can use standard cast rifle bullets.  Weights and velocities close to low-end .45-70 loads - - or .22 match ammo velocities with 400+ grains would be nothing to scoff at.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,289 Senior Member
    edited May 1 #104
    From what I've read on the website about the .45 caliber model.
    Caliber: .457
    Velocity: ~ 950 fps
    Bullet weight: 300 gr
    Energy ~ 600 ft•lbs

    Some of the reviews have users launching everything from 200 to 350 gr bullets with good results in .457 caliber.
    Not unlike shooting black powder. So yeah, interesting for an airgun! 👍
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,311 Senior Member
    If ammo isn't available, I will buy when prices are more reasonable. Period. Not going to pay gouge prices. I simply won't shoot. Sucks but can't afford to do otherwise. 

    What pisses me off is when I see someone show that they bought 10 boxes of something. Leave some for someone else. Yes I get it that you want a stash of ammo but just like toilet paper. Don't buy four 80 packs. I can already hear the responses. I don't really care. Sure, if they have a pallet of 9mm. load up ten or 20 boxes.
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    Winston Churchill
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,824 Senior Member
    Tugar said:
    If ammo isn't available, I will buy when prices are more reasonable. Period. Not going to pay gouge prices. I simply won't shoot. Sucks but can't afford to do otherwise. 

    What pisses me off is when I see someone show that they bought 10 boxes of something. Leave some for someone else. Yes I get it that you want a stash of ammo but just like toilet paper. Don't buy four 80 packs. I can already hear the responses. I don't really care. Sure, if they have a pallet of 9mm. load up ten or 20 boxes.
    I have not done that with anything until today. I heard there was a chicken wing shortage coming so I got 18# today. I have plenty of ammo, but no wings! We eat wings at least 2-3 times a month. That scared me!  :D 
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,937 Senior Member
    edited May 2 #107
    I’ve been picking up stuff on GB.  Sure the prices are high but they are much better than the local scalpers and there is plenty to be had.  I pass it along to folks I train for whatever I pay and they’re happy to at least have something to shoot.  I’ve been averaging $30 or less for 50/9mm and about $50 for 500/22lr.  Not too horrible…

    Prices have been slowly but steadily declining on ammo and primers.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,728 Senior Member
    edited May 2 #108
    Around here I can still find 9mm for about 18 dollars a box. About the same price for 40 S&W, 45acp $25 a box. 45 is a little harder to find.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,871 Senior Member
    Still seeing major panic buying at work.  And gougers, they're paying retail and flipping for who knows how much.  Folks are still mostly maxing out their limit every delivery day no matter how much they have at home.  
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
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