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Gene LGene L Senior MemberPosts: 12,070 Senior Member
I've got a H&K P 7 I was gifted as a retirement gift.  It's cherry (refurbished?) and the one time I shot it, was very accurate.  However, the recoil spring is VERY strong.  With arthritis in my hand, I can't grip it strongly enough to pull the slide back.  For the range I've got a Handi-Racker that allows me to back the slide easily but I hate to depend on an artificial means of cocking the pistol.

I wondered if a weaker recoil spring would still be reliable and easier to work.  Anyone got any ideas?
Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.

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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 13,087 Senior Member
    Read up on this Gene, I did not read all of it but it looks helpful,

    https://www.hkpro.com/threads/p7-psp-issues-with-wolff-springs.171592/
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  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 6,944 Senior Member
    Assuming the desire to still use standard ammo I don't know that you can reduce the weight of a recoil spring enough to exact a substantial difference.  The HK has a slim and light slide in comparison to the total mass of the gun.  I do recall them being exceptionally soft shooters and the hard spring is probably the price to pay for that low mass slide.
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  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,289 Senior Member
    Since it's a gas delayed blow back design (some are straight blow back -- depends on the model), a heavy recoil spring is the price you pay. If it were up to me, I would hand it off (loan it) to another family member, give them a hundred rounds and tell them to have fun. Odds are if it's a refurb it might loosen up with a bit more shooting. I wouldn't change to a lighter spring just yet.
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,499 Senior Member
    They're bringing Python-like money on GB right now.  Sell it and use the proceeds to obtain something striker fired ( with no hammer spring to compress in addition to the slide).  The 9mm Glock of your choice and a lot of mags comes immediately to mind.

    The P7 was a super-slick thing and it definitely is one of those cool items to own for its own sake. . .BUT. . .the complexity of them reminds me of the tale of NASA spending a million dollars to come up with a pen that would write in zero gravity, countered by the Soviets spending fifty cents and launching a pencil.  If the gun you can't run will finance five or more that you can - and can get parts for - it might be time to move it on to someone who's going to put it under a glass dome on a rotating pedestal.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,070 Senior Member
    I probably should sell it, but it being a retirement gift I wouldn't feel right doing so.  At this time, at least.  I've got other 9mms to shoot, so it's not like I'm unarmed.

    The pistol is VERY accurate, if a bit wonky.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,312 Senior Member
    edited April 8 #7
    Bigslug said:

    The P7 was a super-slick thing and it definitely is one of those cool items to own for its own sake. . .BUT. . .the complexity of them reminds me of the tale of NASA spending a million dollars to come up with a pen that would write in zero gravity, countered by the Soviets spending fifty cents and launching a pencil. 
    To be fair, the reason NASA didn't want pencils is that graphite floating around is a hazard in zero g. 

    Sad about the P7 Gene. I'd love to try it out.

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  • Johnny rebJohnny reb Member Posts: 675 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    I've got a H&K P 7 I was gifted as a retirement gift.  It's cherry (refurbished?) and the one time I shot it, was very accurate.  However, the recoil spring is VERY strong.  With arthritis in my hand, I can't grip it strongly enough to pull the slide back.  For the range I've got a Handi-Racker that allows me to back the slide easily but I hate to depend on an artificial means of cocking the pistol.

    I wondered if a weaker recoil spring would still be reliable and easier to work.  Anyone got any ideas?
    What is your go to round , do you know what weight apring is in it now? Is it the standard 21 or one of the extra power, I believe they were 23&25lb if im  not mistaken.
  • dlddld Member Posts: 418 Member

    https://www.gunsprings.com/HK%20-%20HECKLER%20&%20KOCH/P-7%209mm/cID1/mID26/dID133

    HECKLER & KOCH P-7 9MM

    Recoil Springs

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    • Reduced Power...: 17, 18, 19 & 20 Lb.
    • Factory Standard.: 21 Lb.
    • Extra Power........: 23 & 25 Lb.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,070 Senior Member
    Thanks, all.  I'm going to leave it as is.  I can, with some difficulty, rack the slide although it ain't easy.  I have only fired that pistol about 50 rounds in all, 35 rounds in qualification, so I don't shoot it that much.  It's a lot more accurate than it needs to be, at least in my hands.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,070 Senior Member
    I found out today that the weight of the recoil spring isn't a problem.  It's that I can't get a grip on the slide.  With the Handi-Racker I can pull the slide easily but w/out I can't grip the slide strongly enough.  I can occasionally pull the slide back with only my hands, but arthritis won't let me do it regularly.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 13,087 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    I found out today that the weight of the recoil spring isn't a problem.  It's that I can't get a grip on the slide.  With the Handi-Racker I can pull the slide easily but w/out I can't grip the slide strongly enough.  I can occasionally pull the slide back with only my hands, but arthritis won't let me do it regularly.
    Can you rack it off the rear sight on your belt or holster?
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  • BufordBuford Senior Member Posts: 6,721 Senior Member
    Have you tried holding the slide and pushing the frame forward.  That helped a friend with a .380.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,070 Senior Member
    I don't know how to do that, Chiro.  Meanwhile, I've been practicing racking the slide by hand, and I can just do it most of the time. i like the Handi Racker best, though.

    Buford, yes I have but don't have the gripping power in my left hand.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,289 Senior Member
    One hand racking techniques for your right hand.

    Practice with an empty gun until you can do it in your sleep. Hat racking is optional 🤣

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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,070 Senior Member
    edited April 16 #16
    I tried the belt cocker and pulled my pants down.  I've got a bad case of gone-ass.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • HappySquidHappySquid Member Posts: 401 Member
    "suspenders" just saying Gene  ;)
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,070 Senior Member
    Suspenders?  The rebound pushes my pants up to my armpits.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
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