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Time for an honest discussioin on Glock pistols

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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    There is no arguement, in the days of the single shot matchlock, the short version was called a pistole or handgun, later on someone invented the revolving pistole, the pistole or handgun was a short handy firearm to include the semiautomatic pistol or handgun. History is a great thing.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 24,924 Senior Member
    the argument is silly unless the distinction is important for some reason
    Yeah, maybe when explaining how someone shot 19 rnds without reloading.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    To answer the original poster,
    I CCW a Glock as an EDC & OC currently, OC = only carry.

    I am very happy and safe.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • TryLeoTryLeo Posts: 1 New Member
    Saw this old discussion and just HAD to comment. Glocks are unsafe, period! I'm amazed how many jump to defend this ugly duckling that has NO MANUAL SAFETY! If keeping you finger off of the trigger is the only safety, it has none, eh? Fact: "Touch" that trigger and it will go BANG, whether in your holster, pointed at your femoral artery or a perp. I'm German and admire the reliability of the design that came out of Austria. However, the ingenious desingner had no prior experience with handguns. Ergo the lack of a manual safety. This writer is incredulous as to how Glocks were originally approved for import and are even now, approved for import. Yep, I've read all about the ingenious marketing.
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    edited June 9 #246
    Welcome to the forum, even if you decided to cannonball into the pool 🤣

    Glocks require several pounds of pressure applied to the trigger before they “go BANG” especially inside a holster where the probability is near impossible..  That is hardly a “touch” the trigger situation.  So that statement by itself is at best an exaggeration.

    You may have noted that around here all topics are considered for discussion but if you read the thread in it’s entirety you’ll also notice that as a group we require empirical data before accepting anyone’s premise.  And unfortunately facts and data are not on your side.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,579 Senior Member
    I also do not like Glocks, although for different reasons than you.
    Welcome and tell us about what guns you consider safe to carry and what you enjoy shooting.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,513 Senior Member
    I have never been able to see why it's so damned hard for folks to wrap their heads around the concept of keeping your freaking finger off the freaking trigger until you're ready to shoot...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,552 Senior Member
    Could it be said that the Glock pistol, being without a conventional mechanical safety. Has transformed conventional gun handling technique into an inherently safer modus operandi???


  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 25,396 Senior Member
    edited June 9 #250
    Jayhawker said:
    I have never been able to see why it's so damned hard for folks to wrap their heads around the concept of keeping your freaking finger off the freaking trigger until you're ready to shoot...
    People don’t like responsibility. 
    Guns kill people, don’t ya know?!?
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Could it be said that the Glock pistol, being without a conventional mechanical safety. Has transformed conventional gun handling technique into an inherently safer modus operandi???


    Nope, couldn't be said.  Glock's trigger safety IS a conventional mechanical safety.  Not sure how this whole Glocks have no safety on them thing got started but after so many decades and millions of them out on the streets you'd think folks would know better?
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,685 Senior Member
    TryLeo said:
    Saw this old discussion and just HAD to comment. Glocks are unsafe, period! I'm amazed how many jump to defend this ugly duckling that has NO MANUAL SAFETY! If keeping you finger off of the trigger is the only safety, it has none, eh? Fact: "Touch" that trigger and it will go BANG, whether in your holster, pointed at your femoral artery or a perp.
    Welcome.
    How about telling us something you do like, something you shoot or hunt, and pictures are helpful.

    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    TryLeo said:
    Saw this old discussion and just HAD to comment. Glocks are unsafe, period! I'm amazed how many jump to defend this ugly duckling that has NO MANUAL SAFETY! If keeping you finger off of the trigger is the only safety, it has none, eh? Fact: "Touch" that trigger and it will go BANG, whether in your holster, pointed at your femoral artery or a perp.
    Welcome.
    How about telling us something you do like, something you shoot or hunt, and pictures are helpful.

    Yep, this...
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,552 Senior Member
    So it "does," have a conventional mechanical safety.

    Very good information.
  • PFDPFD Senior Member Posts: 1,551 Senior Member
    TryLeo said:
    Glocks are unsafe, period! I'm amazed how many jump to defend this ugly duckling that has NO MANUAL SAFETY! If keeping you finger off of the trigger is the only safety, it has none, eh? Fact: "Touch" that trigger and it will go BANG, whether in your holster, pointed at your femoral artery or a perp.
    So it's as dangerous as a typical double action revolver?
    Better avoid those also!
    😳
    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,579 Senior Member
    Could it be said that the Glock pistol, being without a conventional mechanical safety. Has transformed conventional gun handling technique into an inherently safer modus operandi???


    Double action revolver was around hiw nany years before Glocks? And still fashionable today
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    So it "does," have a conventional mechanical safety.

    Very good information.
    Yes, and it's so good S&W got sued for trying to steal the design before the patents expired.  It's probably one of the most copied features in gun modern gun manufacturing with dozens of firearms incorporating a version of the Glock trigger safety.

    I did not favor Glocks for a loooooong time until their Gen 5 guns changed my mind but SAFETY was NEVER the concern that turned me away from them.  They are as safe or even SAFER than anything out there today.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,552 Senior Member
    Its hard not to like a machine that has a reputation of being almost unbreakable.

    I've not owned one. But I might in the future. Or not. 
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,568 Senior Member
    Guess I should get rid of my CZ since it doesnt have a safety.  It just has some useless de-cocker thing on the side of it.  Who knows what that even does....
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    mitdr774 said:
    Guess I should get rid of my CZ since it doesnt have a safety.  It just has some useless de-cocker thing on the side of it.  Who knows what that even does....
    I'll take it.  I need a new.... eeeerrrrrr, paperweight, yeah paperweight since you really can't trust it as a handgun, right?
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,579 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Jayhawker said:
    I have never been able to see why it's so damned hard for folks to wrap their heads around the concept of keeping your freaking finger off the freaking trigger until you're ready to shoot...
    People don’t like responsibility. 
    Guns kill people, don’t ya know?!?
    You really meant that PEOPLE can kill people with a gun, knife, rock, fist, foot, plastic bag,........
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,513 Senior Member
    Where did he go? 
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 25,396 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    Zee said:
    Jayhawker said:
    I have never been able to see why it's so damned hard for folks to wrap their heads around the concept of keeping your freaking finger off the freaking trigger until you're ready to shoot...
    People don’t like responsibility. 
    Guns kill people, don’t ya know?!?
    You really meant that PEOPLE can kill people with a gun, knife, rock, fist, foot, plastic bag,........
    Nope. It’s the gun’s fault when there is a ND/AD, or a death occurs. 
    Guns = Bad
    Personal Responsibility = Bad
    Scapegoat = Good
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,552 Senior Member
    Wherever he went. This stew would have stayed stuck to the pot without a good stir.

    Maybe someone else will fish a spicy meatball from the archival crock?
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 13,282 Senior Member
    It is good to see bigchief '"posting"again.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • JustsomedudeJustsomedude Posts: 850 Senior Member
    I just read through this whole menagerie and I'm sitting here cracking up laughing at the stupidity of some people. Carrying a glock on an empty chamber out of fear of a ND from a gun with an inch long, 5lb trigger pull 😂😂😂
    We've been conditioned to believe that obedience is virtuous and voting is freedom- 
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,621 Senior Member
    Could it be said that the Glock pistol, being without a conventional mechanical safety. Has transformed conventional gun handling technique into an inherently safer modus operandi???


    Yeah. . .possibly.

    I taught an "intro to firearms" class yesterday to a room full of folks who are on the "evidence" side of the house.  None of them shooters.  Most of them not terribly likely to become one.

    After going over the four primary safety rules, I broke out a 1911 and a Beretta 92 - - both U.S. military sidearms for a very long period of time, each with a safety that operates in the completely opposite direction, and unless you count red paint on the Beretta, NEITHER ONE is marked with any kind of clue as to which way is "hot" and which way is "cold", both of them could have been found in the field during an overlap period at the end of the service of one and the start of service of the other, and both of them very likely to be encountered in quantity now.

    I can teach you the four basic safety rules in pretty significant detail in about ten minutes, after which you'll be a great deal less dangerous out in the world with a Glock or anything else.

    If you want me to cover where everything's safety devices are, what they do, and how to manipulate them, we need to book a flight to the Cody, Wyoming firearms museum, spend several days there studying a thousand years of gun history, and STILL have significant concerns that we probably missed a few things.

    The simple fact is that we come into the world knowing only how to cry, suck, and soil ourselves - - everything else has to be learned.  A lot less to learn in the Glock system, but a lot in it that is globally applicable.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    To follow up Bigslug’s post.  I teach an intro to handguns personal class in which I have new shooters learn the shooting fundamentals and then I have them try out a bunch of different handgun platforms and apply what they just learned.   I do not try to influence their decisions and yet just about all of them have liked the Glock the most and most have bought one as their first EDC.
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,552 Senior Member
    Some tasks seem to strongly favor simplicity.

    Kind of like a light switch.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,579 Senior Member
    An old crusty ARMY Master Sergeant once taught a couple young knuckleheads about hand guns.

    He held up a gun that none of us had ever seen or heard of before.  He asked  "where is the safety on this weapon?"  Everyone was pointing to the lever on the side of the pistol.  He shouted  WRONG, every swinging %$!* sitting here.  The main safety of every weapon/gun is BETWEEN YOUR EARS.  Use your brain and do not touch the trigger.

    Seeing that happened in 1979, I would say that the lesson stuck for me.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Some tasks seem to strongly favor simplicity.

    Kind of like a light switch.
    Firing a gun with an external safety like a 1911 is pretty simple,  you  are just adding one movement out of the holster and one movement before, and they are both rather user friendly for most folks.  I never really had an issue with the design.

    That being said, operating a Glock is easy enough that you can train ANYONE to do it safely and efficiently.  I'm dealing with NEWBIES!!!!!  and I have not encountered ONE issue!
    Old West Saying: God created men, but Col. Sam Colt made them equal.

    General George Patton:  “Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.”

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