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Need your thoughts on a .458 Win. Mag. M-1 Garand

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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,466 Senior Member
    I would tend to think full bore loads from a .458 WM would chew it (Garand) and the shooter up over a period of time. But then, I know squat about the rifle. 
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #33
    Zee said:
    I would tend to think full bore loads from a .458 WM would chew it (Garand) and the shooter up over a period of time. But then, I know squat about the rifle. 
    Yeah I agree, I don't think it's the ideal platform for the round, more of a novelty. No way I'd go chasing dangerous game with it alone either. I'd want a damn good backup with a double rifle. If it's Semi Auto or Auto, it is subject to jam at some point when you least expect it.
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,975 Senior Member
    Well you can't hunt DG basically anywhere in the world except NA with a semi auto, so its a moot point regardless
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,975 Senior Member
    And I'd love to see the 45/70 load that can go through almost 10" of concrete like solid bone
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,975 Senior Member
    Plus,  you'd never purposely aim for the boss. Goal in a charge is to put it up the nose or when he drops his head right before impact,  behind the boss and into the neck/spine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,466 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #37
    Well you can't hunt DG basically anywhere in the world except NA with a semi auto, so its a moot point regardless
    If you can hunt DG in NA with a semi-auto......it ain’t moot, is it?

    Africa ain’t the only game in town. 
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,118 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #38
    And I'd love to see the 45/70 load that can go through almost 10" of concrete like solid bone
    A few years back there was a guy that shot through a Cape Buffalo bull and killed a cow standing on the other side....using a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70 with a 405 grain solid....complete penetration on the bull thetslug was found under the skin on the off side of the cow.....he made a Texas heart shot on the same bull and the slug was recovered in the critters brisket
    http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/45-70-govt/58039-45-70-marlin-cape-buffalo.html#/topics/58039
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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,975 Senior Member
    Through the vitals yea i can see that.  But someone brought up the bullet bouncing off the horn boss

    Zee good point,  I was responding to snake saying he'd want to be backed up by a double.  Don't recall hearing about any Alaskan guides backing up with a DR, which only leaves Africa and Australia, where semi autos are verboten. Well, guess you might be able to take one to Hawaii,  not sure if they allow them or not,  you have to get police permission to bring a gun into the island. 
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    As soon as a live in person demonstration of the rifle is witnessed, the debate ends and the admiration, even if its secret begins.😍
  • ilove22silove22s Senior Member Posts: 1,507 Senior Member
    way cool.

    if they did their homework on the receiver/barrel and its fine, then that would be a hoot to shoot.


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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    As soon as a live in person demonstration of the rifle is witnessed, the debate ends and the admiration, even if its secret begins.😍
    Here ya go, Early!



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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    I wish I could watch it😞
  • ArmoredmanArmoredman Member Posts: 362 Member
    So he made several of these beasts? Gotta wonder what the price tag for one nowadays would be.
  • olivia44olivia44 Posts: 3 New Member
    Can you please share your experience with me about this one?
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,118 Senior Member
    olivia44 said:
    Can you please share your experience with me about this one?
    To my knowledge...no one on this forum has actually used one of these rifles...
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  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,986 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    My question is "Why?"
    Agree. I have a local air force arsenal conversion .308 Garand myself but due to the local unavailability of 30-06 it was either that or a once-a-year range trip with maybe a couple of clips to make it bang, but in this case I think humping the increasingly scarce milsurps is borderline blasphemy.

    Now, if it's done in a commercial receiver (IAI or such) I can find it reasonable.
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,986 Senior Member
    Tugar said:
    Would a different gas system offer a more svelte, faster to shoulder and on target rifle? I guess thats what I'm wondering. Its a battle rifle yes, but I doubt many front line soldiers would want to trade their M4s? 

    Novelty or maybe more?
    The biggest reason the m4 and M16 are chambered in 5.56 is that the idea of a modern assault rifle isn't to kill outright. It takes soldiers away from the battle when they need to treat their buddies.

    Thought it had to do with logistics rather than terminal ballistics. Always heard that the idea was to allow the infantryman to carry more ammo without increasing his combat load. More rounds meant more volume of fire (And with light kicking loads accuracy and efficiency of folow-up shots allegedly increase) and since inside certain rifle cartridge specs it doesn't actually matter if you're hit with a .45-70 or a .223, an impact will take an enemy out of combat anyway, dead or not.
    Pretty much the "he who puts more lead in the enemy's airspace wins" idea.



  • GunNutGunNut Posts: 7,642 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    olivia44 said:
    Can you please share your experience with me about this one?
    To my knowledge...no one on this forum has actually used one of these rifles...
    I read all 3 of the users posts and I’m thinking not a real user…
  • Johnny rebJohnny reb Member Posts: 715 Senior Member
    horselips said:
    Wonder why Browning duzzint chamber their BAR in .458. They've got them in .338 and other Magnums. We went to the moon half a century ago - I'm sure solving any technical issue is within their wheelhouse.
    Browning may not chamber it but it is done there have beem several.
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