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Pre 64' model 70 Featherweight Win 308w revisited.

earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
edited September 2021 in General Firearms #1
Since receiving my Grandfather's rifle I've done some refurbishment and preservation, and tried to learn what I could about these rifles.

If I've got anything wrong. Or anyone has anything to add. I'd be grateful to learn about it. They were all made on the full length action. You can see the magazine plug to accommodate the 308win cartridges here.

The bolt has two holes that direct gas in the event of a case rupture down the left side raceway in the receiver. The rear cocking piece has no protective flange. Something to keep in mind for handloaders. It also uses what's called a coned breech that leaves part of the case exposed to the receiver during lock up. 

The bolt release requires that space for travel be inletted into the stock.


If used in wet weather the mag release can accumulate moisture and rust. It's easily maintained with a drift pin removal.

None of these are critisizems. This is an excellent rifle in perfect mechanical condition after half a century of hard use. Mostly by my Dad to take several Colorado elk. It seems to put almost any load close to the same POA. These are just some interesting things I've found out about it. And I think could be important to know. I figure its the best firearm I have and well worth learning all I can about it. If anyone else has one or has had one or knows anything at all about these rifles, I'd be pleased to read about it.

Something else I forgot to add. The bolt appears to have been stenciled with the rifles corosponding serial number at the factory. Maybe an important detail for anyone shopping for their own.

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  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 5,051 Senior Member
    You are correct on all points, the only thing you left out is the bolt stop , it can be very long as for the .22 Hornet or very short for the .300/.375 H&H or any length inbetween for other length cartridges. To the best of my knowledge the FTW was never chambered for the FL H&H cartridges.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    edited September 2021 #3
    That's good to know about the bolt stop. I'd not known that or ever came across it.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,510 Senior Member
    Easiest trigger in the world to adjust, just brilliant design.  Easiest trigger in the world to screw up and make dangerous too.  Great rifle!
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Thanks Wambli. I've read that about the triggers. Looks robust and works fine. Doesn't seem too light or heavy so I've left it untouched. Been doing some dry fire practice with other guns. I always use an SKS for rifle. Makes good triggers feel great afterwards.

  • sakodudesakodude Senior Member Posts: 4,608 Senior Member
    Looks like a rifle that should be hunted!
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,982 Senior Member
    great looking gun! 

    one interesting tidbit I've read,  is that the machining was so well done you can swap about any pre-64 barrel with any action and they'll time up perfectly.

    Jay is correct,  never did the FWT in the H&H cartridges. Those 2 had modified actions internally to accomodate the length of those long cases. 

    I picked up a pre64 FWT myself recently,  a 243 in what I think is a McMillan stock.  Looking forward to shooting it (or flipping it, we shall see)
  • JustsomedudeJustsomedude Posts: 1,341 Senior Member
    Here's an upclose of the 42 degree conical breech with extractor cut. They make that action feed rounds extremely smooth. I love the M70's.
    We've been conditioned to believe that obedience is virtuous and voting is freedom- 
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Thanks guys. I look forward to some trigger time and woods time with it.

    Good view of the breech!

    I bet that 243 shoots so good that flipping it will be a hard turn.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 5,051 Senior Member
    Since i have been messing with M-70 before most of you were born, here's a little accuracy tip that wont damage the gun, its been my experience that most M-70 are slightly long throated, remove the mag spacer or get a -06 insert that will allow you to seat bullets out a bit further than stock decreasing the bullet jump, and add a little more powder CAREFULLY to get a little more velocity.

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,683 Senior Member
    edited September 2021 #11
    I’m not a big Winchester fan. But…….THAT is a beauty rifle in a DAMN fine chambering!!!
    What’s not to love?!?

    I have envy. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Good tip on the cartridge length.
    Thanks JAY.

    I'm glad you like Zee. Means a lot from someone that's used the cartridge so successfully.
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,367 Senior Member
    I have a 1957 model 70 featherweight in 308..........

    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Wow!
    That's beautiful. 
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 8,548 Senior Member
    I remember that rifle from several past forums versions!! B) Always liked that rifle, very nice, perfect design!! IMHO!! Best combo of both the '98 and '03 designs!!
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Yep.
    It took awhile to refurbish the stock with a lot of help from folks here.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,510 Senior Member
    Big Al1 said:
    I remember that rifle from several past forums versions!! B) Always liked that rifle, very nice, perfect design!! IMHO!! Best combo of both the '98 and '03 designs!!
    Reminds me of a .280 I fell in love with a long time ago… 🤣
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,467 Senior Member
    jaywapti said:
    Since i have been messing with M-70 before most of you were born, here's a little accuracy tip that wont damage the gun, its been my experience that most M-70 are slightly long throated, remove the mag spacer or get a -06 insert that will allow you to seat bullets out a bit further than stock decreasing the bullet jump, and add a little more powder CAREFULLY to get a little more velocity.

    JAY
    THIS. . .

    . . .plus your finding that they used the '06-length action with a spacer has the potential to drive a stake through the heart of my one major gripe with the .308:  the "short action" mag length that was cooked up around the 150 grain military ball loading with no consideration for the length of heavier and/or higher BC match bullets, or the plastic-tipped hunting bullets that came later.

    If you can exploit those nuggets of intel to seat long and not intrude on your powder space, you might be playing with the .308 that should have been.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Food for thought.

    I'm now 56 yro. Looking at maybe 3 more years before I get to have my own time. For recreational target and occasional hunting with my age imposed limitations. Standard loads should suffice.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,644 Senior Member
    edited September 2021 #20
    Beautiful guns there.  What does FWT stand for, Featherweight?  I had one in .243 at one time but alas I sold it.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 5,051 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    jaywapti said:
    Since i have been messing with M-70 before most of you were born, here's a little accuracy tip that wont damage the gun, its been my experience that most M-70 are slightly long throated, remove the mag spacer or get a -06 insert that will allow you to seat bullets out a bit further than stock decreasing the bullet jump, and add a little more powder CAREFULLY to get a little more velocity.

    JAY
    THIS. . .

    . . .plus your finding that they used the '06-length action with a spacer has the potential to drive a stake through the heart of my one major gripe with the .308:  the "short action" mag length that was cooked up around the 150 grain military ball loading with no consideration for the length of heavier and/or higher BC match bullets, or the plastic-tipped hunting bullets that came later.

    If you can exploit those nuggets of intel to seat long and not intrude on your powder space, you might be playing with the .308 that should have been.
    This is what i did with my 1955 .358 win FTW, on my rifle by removing the spacer and using a -06/270 bolt stop , using the Sierra 225 gr.SBT moly coated bullets, i was able to increase COAL from 2.780 to 2.855 , using WW cases Fed. 210M primers, IMR 4895, using 51.5 gr ( way off the res) i couldnt believe my Vel so we used 3 chronos, they all showed 2670 -2690 fps and 1/3/4" @100yds, i reduced the load to 50.0 gr. and 2615 fps for 5 shot groups @7/8" I worked up this load whenever Sierra released the 225 to the public ( late 70s ??) Still have about 60 in my locker, FWIW i have used this bullet from Florida thru the states Canada, and Alaska it has never let me down..

    In retrospect I realize this thread is about the M-70 FTW and .308 well i have a M-70 never owned or had any use for a .308 but since the 308 & 358 cases are the same I though it could help some of you, one word of caution if you have a pre 64 please dont do anything to alter it that will reduce its value there getting hard to find

    JAY
    THE DEFINITION OF GUN CONTROL IS HITTING THE TARGET WITH YOUR FIRST SHOT
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