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Regarding your HBWC's in the .45 Colt case. . .My gut says to treat it like a true wadcutter and seat it deep to where you're crimping over the front edge of the bullet, THEN pretend that you're loading a .45 ACP with Bullseye.But, I have a .45 ACP revolver. I want this to be a .45 Colt!The deal is that you're loading with a case conceived for black powder. The result is that you have more volume than you need for smokeless. The slower burning fuels won't help you in those short barrels anyway.I'm guessing that if you can get those 240 grainers up to 850-900 fps, you should get 6-8 jugs out of it - probably rupturing the first four. My .455 Webley MKIV HBWC's came out at about 230 grains and dented jug #5, bouncing back into #4, and that was using thicker pool chlorine jugs and were probably down around 600-650 fps.I still don’t see the reason to push them flat side first. The meplate is the same either way. So, I’d just as soon launch a cavity. As I recall, I used Unique when I loaded the Keith 452423 in my 4.25" Redhawk and had them going around 1000-1100 fps. Not a bad load, but I'm really coming to appreciate the higher RPM I can manage with such things at a lower .45 ACP-ish recoil level. If you accept that the wound diameter won't differ by much at all, and you have a boatload of penetration at any sensible speed, the desire to make multiple large holes in a hurry becomes clear.Now one nice thing about the .45 Colt is that it's big enough to make some truly FEROCIOUS snake shot loads. I have a steady supply of #9 shot that I mostly melt for bullets, but 90 grains of it atop 5 grains of Bullseye with a few card wads and a candle wax top seal work's GREAT for a .357 case. Pattern density at 3 yards is all you could hope for. I suspect you could EASILY double the payload for a .45. . . I have CCI Snake Shot for it.
Within it's limitations, that 200 grain cast HP should be a good SD and varmint slug - just don't expect a lot of depth out of it. 20-1 lead/tin is a popular choice for a low/middle velocity expander - it's a tough "chewy" alloy that holds together well. I.M.E., accuracy tends to degrade when you take it above black powder rifle pressures and speeds, but below 1200-1400fps, you should be fine (it's probably optimally a 900-950 fps bullet). No provision for roll crimping on the ACP bullets - watch for recoil creep.I’m gonna pick up some of that CFE-Pistol and try the 240gr HBWC first. If that doesn’t work, I’ll order some of these 200gr Bullets. I'm kind of a 230 grain purist when it comes to .45ACP, but there is a kind of magic to the reduced recoil of 200 grains at slightly higher speeds out of 5" 1911's. If you're doing the non-expanding solid thing, the HG-68 SWC match bullet has a sizable following: https://www.mattsbullets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71&products_id=195 No big meplat drama, but still plenty of penetration if you aren't trying to hold back a cavalry charge.I dunno. . .depends on what you're trying to do. The 452423 is optimized for tissue damage inside of 100 yards (most of Keith's other SWC's were LFN precursors with delusions of riflery). Since you might be alternating between side shots on coyote and raking shots on hogs, it's not a bad broad-spectrum option.
Wambli Ska said:
My dad’s version of that saying was “buy right, cry once”. And I’ve always believed this… but I also see where it makes sense to buy less than top shelf when meaning to use the gear hard. I mean does anyone really buy a Filson $800 coat to go chase after cattle? I don’t. Carhart/Wrangler will do just fine.I don’t mean to talk for Zee. But, as I understand this, he’s buying these guns for use as utility guns on the ranch. Stuff that will be subject to steady abuse. I don’t think I’d do that to my Mountain Gun, which I do carry in the woods, but it’s not for rolling-in-the-mud occasions.These guns he’s playing with are rough. But they go bang when needed and if they get all scared up there will be no tears shed.
I guess it depends on how you view your .45 Colt. Until you get into Ruger Only data, anything over 230 grains at 850 fps is just a +P .45 Auto with a rim on the case, so split your hairs how you will. The .45 ACP and .455 Webley MKII were created to keeping their predecessor's performance by replacing black powder with smokeless in a shorter case. Deep seating a hollow-base wadcutter in the excessively large Colt case to optimize a reasonable charge of fast smokeless isn't making an ACP; it's just maximizing the effectiveness of your fuel's octane rating. The wadcutter flat face forward, or the 452423, will give you practical, bloodletting damage with CONSISTENCY of performance, and do it without the need to try to cram a .454 Casull charge into a platform not rated for anything like it. In your rural existence, I'm thinking you may be called upon to deal with things up to and including putting down large livestock - and your phone may ring for that task at any time simply because you have a local reputation for being "that guy that hunts a lot of stuff". Think of it in terms of African hunting - many hunt little bitty impala with a .375 H&H, not because they need to, but because of the other things they may encounter. Your hollowpoints (especially that little 200 grainer) are kinda locking you into the box of targets on two legs that are 12" thick - the solids are a lot more all-purpose.Really, in that ranch role, a moderately loaded .45 Colt shooting a barrel-shaped bullet with a lot of momentum is a damn good choice and a Charter Arms that you can sacrifice to the abuses of the day ain't a bad call either - provided it shoots to the sights. . .and works. I would probably drift away from the hollow bases if the loads are going to get hotter, as they are reputed to have integrity issues on launch as you get out of the old blackpowder pressure zone. If they aren't expanding though, no need to run them that warm.Unique doesn't suck for such things, but much slower (H110, 2400, 296) are probably just fireball without effect in such a short barrel.As I've said, the 452423 was Elmer's dedicated purpose, blunt force trauma bullet, but if you want to keep things simple across multiple guns, the 260 grain 452424/454424 will fly better at distance and has probably killed everything that walks and probably even some things that swim.
As far as Charter Arms. Fit and finish aren't everything. I like how the cranes lock up. If the internals are heavy enough to keep the cylinder turning, locking, and the trigger returning for the next shot. And the chambers maintain bore alignment after hard use. Not necessarily heavy load use, but use well dirty or wet. Then the gun's good if the price is right. Assuming it delivers payload where aimed.The nice thing about the 45 Colt/revolver combination is versatility and delivered energy in relation to recoil.A tinkers dam within reach of the tinkerer.
I don't know what load (powder charge) you used in each but from the results, I can only guess this.First off, you used a faster burn rate powder with the heavier bullet and the slower burn rate powder with the lighter bullet. Personally, I think you'd get better results the other way around (don't know for sure but that's what I'm thinking) According to burn rate charts, Titegroup (#14), Trail Boss (#19), Unique (#31) and CFE Pistol (#44). The Hodgdon website claims CFE is for competition and self defense but they use long barrels for alot of their numbers. Competitive user often use longer barrels than your Charter Arms. Just my opinion but I think the 185's would fair better with the Unique. Second, remember the nature of progressive powder? The more resistance, the faster the burn, the more pressure developed, the more speed you get. Heavier bullet with faster powder became more pressure and so on. I suspect the opposite happened with the lighter bullet and slower powder. Anyway, you have a backyard range so don't get discouraged. If I had that I would live back there. 🤣Finally, once you get a load you like and if it is still hitting around 6" low, you may have to shave about 1/14" of an inch of the front blade then you'll be more on target.Keep up the good work 👍
Wambli Ska said:
Nice having a range at home! I guess this explains why they give you such a tall front sight. In this one ported too?
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