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JayhawkerJayhawker ModeratorPosts: 18,143 Senior Member


An African hunter of the period stated "I don't  shoot it often, but whenever I do, whatever it is dies 
Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"

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  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 2,384 Senior Member
    Were those used as punt guns on the front of a duck boat back in the day?
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,143 Senior Member
    Freezer said:
    Were those used as punt guns on the front of a duck boat back in the day?
    That one was a 26 pound "stopping rifle" for dangerous game. It used a half pound round ball or turned bronze projectile...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,562 Senior Member
    Hold my beer. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • PFDPFD Senior Member Posts: 1,735 Senior Member
    Freezer said:
    Were those used as punt guns on the front of a duck boat back in the day?
    I wondered the same thing until I saw the rifling.
    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,398 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Hold my beer. 
    I'll fill the mold!

    A 3,500 grain round ball. . .probably a little lighter if patches are involved. . .considerably heavier if using conicals. . .

    Between the bullet mass and the probable powder charge, my eyes are crossing a little. . .
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,562 Senior Member
    Maybe two beers. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,562 Senior Member
    But Knitepoet can kiss my ass. I’ll take it. 😘
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 7,415 Senior Member
    What? No repeater? 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,041 Senior Member
    A half pounder cannon!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • JustsomedudeJustsomedude Posts: 1,323 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    A half pounder cannon!
    That was my thought, a man wielded cannon.
    We've been conditioned to believe that obedience is virtuous and voting is freedom- 
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,746 Senior Member
    3500 grain round ball
    270 grain powder charge
    1500 fps velocity
    26 pound gun

    531 ft-lbf Free Recoil Energy
    36.26 fps Free Recoil Velocity
    🤔



    Yep, I'll pass.
    ☢️




    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 7,999 Senior Member
    I'd go ..... once
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • gunner81gunner81 Member Posts: 625 Senior Member
    my shoulder hurts just looking at it and I'm not recoil sensitive but also not an idiot LOL
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,398 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    531 ft-lbf Free Recoil Energy
    36.26 fps Free Recoil Velocity

    ☢️
    Free Recoil Isn't Free! :D
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,235 Senior Member
    I’d probably be stupid enough to try it.  My attitude has always been, if anyone else shot it and didn’t die, then I’ll take a turn!
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,085 Senior Member
    Hell yes, I would!


    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 4,370 Senior Member
    edited March 24 #18
    Wait, the pic shows a ramrod under the barrel and there's reference to it possibly taking a round ball, but there's a picture of a 2 bore cartridge next to a 45-70 case. Is it a muzzle loader or cartridge gun?  Or I'm guessing a round ball or bronze projectile is seated in the cartridge and the ramrod is just for swabbing the bore after firing?
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,143 Senior Member
    In that period, it was common for cartridge guns to have a ramrod included for cleaning..look at the 1873 "Trapdoor" Springfield for instance...black powder fouling remained a problem...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • JayJay Senior Member Posts: 4,370 Senior Member
    Thanks for the clarification. I do recall that being the case when BP metallic cartridges came out. I have no personal experience and not much knowledge of those kinds of guns. So I was curious. 

  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,772 Senior Member
    Going to have to pass on that.  I already have enough shoulder issues.
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,527 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Hold my beer. 

    You need that shoulder work anyway.....
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,235 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Hold my beer. 

    You need that shoulder work anyway.....
    Again...
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    Having received a cortisone shot in my right shoulder a month ago, and feeling like I might be able to shoot a .270 again...I think I'll pass.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • JaphyJaphy Posts: 290 Member
    When it’s mounted on an axle and a hydraulic recoil system it’s a howitzer
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 4,746 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    Spk said:
    531 ft-lbf Free Recoil Energy
    36.26 fps Free Recoil Velocity

    ☢️
    Free Recoil Isn't Free! :D

    Oh yeah, you'll pay a price for that Free. 😵
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 2,384 Senior Member
    I’d probably be stupid enough to try it.  My attitude has always been, if anyone else shot it and didn’t die, then I’ll take a turn!
    I might be bold and might be brave but, you're first.
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,235 Senior Member
    Freezer said:
    I’d probably be stupid enough to try it.  My attitude has always been, if anyone else shot it and didn’t die, then I’ll take a turn!
    I might be bold and might be brave but, you're first.
    Nope, looks painful and dangerous.  You go first 😁
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,190 Senior Member
    I will hold your beer.....
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,041 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    I will hold your beer.....

    You might as well drink it, he's not gonna be in any shape to consume it afterwards! ;)
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,398 Senior Member
    Trying to wrap my brain around the logistics of such a thing. . .

    Sure, it was pretty common for safaris and professional hunters to have a retinue of native porters to carry guns, gear, and supplies around, but to actually have such a thing in hand when you needed it HAD to be a major challenge.  A single round of ammo weighs as much as a lot of pistols.

    And, yes, it makes a big, effective hole, but trying to use such a gun quickly against a large, angry  animal in thick cover would be a lot like trying to shoot skeet with. . .I dunno. . .a fire hose?

    I think instead of a "stopping rifle", a rifle like that might have served better as a professional hunter's opening move, the logic being that "If you don't want to risk getting stomped following your bull elephant into heavy brush, shoot him with this thing."
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
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