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Grail Gun Realized - M1a

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 27,682 Senior Member
I used to carry an M1a. Even took it to a desert somewhere years ago. Then, they were phased out and turned in. 
Ever since, I wanted to get one of my own. For nostalgic reasons. 
They aren’t the most accurate rifles. Heavy. Sometimes unreliable. But, it did what I needed at the time and I kinda like them for what they are. But, cost and other things always got in the way and I never got around to getting one. 
Well, my best friend just remedied that. He’d heard me mention liking and wanting one in the past. Last week, he said he was going to get me one as a token of gratitude for something I did recently. The argument of such a gift not being necessary as selling shoes is selling shoes (or some such) ensued. But, I’ve rarely won an argument with him. So…………….

Damn, she is beautiful!!
So now, I can check that off my list of grail guns. It has even more meaning for me as being gifted my my best friend. I am truly blessed and don’t know what else to say. 

Thank you, my friend. 
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,371 Senior Member
    Your friend is correct, looking forward to the range report, stretch its legs.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,545 Senior Member
    The emotions connected to some of these guns, are significant, primarily because of the relationship connections. 
    I am always pleased when someone honors you with a gift like this.  
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,730 Senior Member
    My wife almost got a Q/A job at a machine shop that made forged receivers and other parts for M14's. Think they even had fully assembled rifles........ I was planning on getting her a bigger lunch bucket.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • PFDPFD Senior Member Posts: 1,753 Senior Member
    Yes, a nice example like that is downright sexy! 😍
    Now where to source some .308?🤔
    Mine came with a black, factory synthetic stock which I promptly replaced with a wooden stock because I like the look.
    I have to admit that I also like how the Zee inspired paint job on the black stock turned out.
    A mesh laundry bag from Walmart for 99 cents and some Krylon. Who would have thunk it.
    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,642 Senior Member
    Great looking rifle.  I've got one that weighs 10 pounds!  I carried an M 14 thoughout basic training and Infantry AIT, but I was 21 years old then and could stand the weight.  Mine isn't remarkably accurate but it is what it is.  I like the M 14/M 1A better than the Garand.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,261 Senior Member
    That is one good looking rifle
    And its source makes it priceless 
    Congrats to you both for such a good friendship.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 18,161 Senior Member
    Well done.....well deserved....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,488 Senior Member
    That’s a fine rifle and I’m sure glad your friend is doing better.  Hell, he looks great!!!
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,465 Senior Member
    Nice commission on the shoe sale.  The luck of the draw was with you in the lumber department!

    I had mine upgraded to the skinny NM front sight blade and the 1/2 MOA windage clicks / 1/2 MOA elevation rotary aperture.  Not sure how "necessary" that really was, but I shot a couple 100 yard reduced Highpower matches and the full minute windage clicks were inconveniently bracketing the x-ring. . . so I showed HIM!  :D
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • ojrojr Senior Member Posts: 1,305 Senior Member
    It looks great.
    I could find a place for it.
    The flight was uneventful, which is what one wants when one is transporting an Elephant.
     Reuters, Dec 2020.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,488 Senior Member
    You’ll probably find the civilian version a bit more accurate than your mil issue.   Not at your bolt gun(s) level but I would not be surprised if it shoots MOA or better with good ammo it likes.
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,545 Senior Member
    For better accuracy, I have seen guys bed every piece of the stock and forend. 
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,642 Senior Member
    I would be shocked if any M1A shoots a MOA.  The sniper version only does 1 1/2 MOA.  Bedding a M1A is involved, especially around the gas plug and the action.  I looked into it but decided that with a regular barrel it wouldn't be worth it.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 3,488 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    I would be shocked if any M1A shoots a MOA.  The sniper version only does 1 1/2 MOA.  Bedding a M1A is involved, especially around the gas plug and the action.  I looked into it but decided that with a regular barrel it wouldn't be worth it.
    My old SA Loaded would do very close to MOA with iron sights when I did my part.  It had match barrel and sights from the factory.  I have no doubt it would have gone sub MOA if I scoped it which I never did.
    I’m baaaaaaaaack… 😬
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,127 Senior Member
    Very nice, Zee!  Can’t wait for the range report.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,642 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    I would be shocked if any M1A shoots a MOA.  The sniper version only does 1 1/2 MOA.  Bedding a M1A is involved, especially around the gas plug and the action.  I looked into it but decided that with a regular barrel it wouldn't be worth it.
    My old SA Loaded would do very close to MOA with iron sights when I did my part.  It had match barrel and sights from the factory.  I have no doubt it would have gone sub MOA if I scoped it which I never did.
    9-hole reviews, where they shoot all sorts of military guns, says they have never shot a service rifle that will shoot MOA.  Occasionally, almost any gun will get that magic 3, mine has done it once, but it wouldn't do it on command.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,682 Senior Member
    edited June 9 #18
    I dug around and found the old Smith Enterprise Scope mount I used to run on my work gun. Missing the side screw, though. Called the company and they are sending me a replacement in the mail. 
    I will do some scope swapping and put a “period” appropriate scope on it. A 10x Leupold M3 that may or may not have once actually rode on my Work gun at some point in the past. 

    This is kinda cool. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,682 Senior Member
    My work gun was actually a modified M14. It still had the selector rod sticking out the right side. I guess that’s what it was. But the knob that allowed you to select the “pew,pew,pew” option was removed. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,920 Senior Member
    Nice rifle!

    Not trying to be a jerk, but... for its purposes, does it NEED  to be a sub-MOA rifle? Sometimes I think folks get too hung up on that 
    I'm just here for snark.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,642 Senior Member
    edited June 9 #21
    No, it doesn't need to be a MOA rifle.  I think it's generally (field grade, not loaded) is about a four MOA rifle.  Carlos Haithcock's M 70 was a 2 MOA rifle.  And he did pretty well with it.  Nowadays, it's a lot easier to get to 1 MOA with all the bells and whistles and a scope, but for almost all applications, it isn't necessary.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,682 Senior Member
    Nice rifle!

    Not trying to be a jerk, but... for its purposes, does it NEED  to be a sub-MOA rifle? Sometimes I think folks get too hung up on that 
    My work gun was a 1.5 MOA rifle on a good day with Federal GMM. Would I say that was awesome?  No. Would I say it worked?  Well, some would say it did if they could. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,642 Senior Member
    As I said before the M 21 rifle, NM and set up by the USAMTU rifle with a ART 3-9 scope was a 1.5 MOA rifle.  It was accurate enough for CoM shots out to 900 yards.
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,682 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 said:
    Your friend is correct, looking forward to the range report, stretch its legs.
    If I can get the 10x mounted. 800 should be easy. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,682 Senior Member
    The emotions connected to some of these guns, are significant, primarily because of the relationship connections. 
    I am always pleased when someone honors you with a gift like this.  
    I have a few more to post about. Just waiting for it to feel right. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,682 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    My wife almost got a Q/A job at a machine shop that made forged receivers and other parts for M14's. Think they even had fully assembled rifles........ I was planning on getting her a bigger lunch bucket.
    “One piece at a time…..”
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,682 Senior Member
    PFD said:
    Yes, a nice example like that is downright sexy! 😍
    Now where to source some .308?🤔
    Mine came with a black, factory synthetic stock which I promptly replaced with a wooden stock because I like the look.
    I have to admit that I also like how the Zee inspired paint job on the black stock turned out.
    A mesh laundry bag from Walmart for 99 cents and some Krylon. Who would have thunk it.
    Here is a nostalgic pic of my first M14 at work. Prior to the optics and new chassis. 
    It sports an original “Zee” paint job. 

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,545 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    The emotions connected to some of these guns, are significant, primarily because of the relationship connections. 
    I am always pleased when someone honors you with a gift like this.  
    I have a few more to post about. Just waiting for it to feel right. 
    Completely agree 
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,682 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    That is one good looking rifle
    And its source makes it priceless 
    Congrats to you both for such a good friendship.
    We take care of each other.  👍🏻
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,682 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    Nice commission on the shoe sale.  The luck of the draw was with you in the lumber department!

    I had mine upgraded to the skinny NM front sight blade and the 1/2 MOA windage clicks / 1/2 MOA elevation rotary aperture.  Not sure how "necessary" that really was, but I shot a couple 100 yard reduced Highpower matches and the full minute windage clicks were inconveniently bracketing the x-ring. . . so I showed HIM!  :D
    I’m really pleased with the wood stock. Can’t say that I’d have originally gone out and gotten a wood stocked rifle. All of mine were synthetic or modular. But, I’m really happy to have this one and make it somewhat more original in nature and intent. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,465 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    My work gun was actually a modified M14. It still had the selector rod sticking out the right side. I guess that’s what it was. 
    Basically served the same function as the auto sear in an M16. In the final bit of forward travel just before locking up the bolt, the charging handle would tap that rod which linked back to make the rifle do the Happy Dance.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
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