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Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
FINALLY!  Back in stock in several places.

Just got in the mail, 40 rounds of 38-55 Ammo and 100 brand new cases for the .45 Auto Rim. These have been Unicorns for a looooooong time.



Yay!!!

It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,556 Senior Member
    Where was the .45 Auto Rim from?
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • PFDPFD Senior Member Posts: 1,801 Senior Member
    Hopefully primers will be available at less than a cartridge was a few years ago.
    I miss the days I could load a .45 ACP for less than a dime.
    And I "struggled" to pay for those.
    Glad to see anything loosening up, though. 🇺🇸
    That's all I got.

    Paul
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 said:
    Where was the .45 Auto Rim from?
    Ammo and cases from Midway.  I set the email notices probably a year ago and had forgotten about them.   Ammo had a two box limit but with what I have already and shooting a single shot I’m good for a bit.  The cases are even more important than the actual ammo.  Brass is hell to find in 38-55.

    The 100 cases of Auto Rim will last me a lifetime.    This is for my copy of the Indiana Jones S&W 1917.  By using these I can skip the moon clips AND  can load properly sized to bore .455 bullets.

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
    PFD said:
    Hopefully primers will be available at less than a cartridge was a few years ago.
    I miss the days I could load a .45 ACP for less than a dime.
    And I "struggled" to pay for those.
    Glad to see anything loosening up, though. 🇺🇸
    I’m bumping into small rifle primers quite a bit now.  Large rifle and pistol primers are still a challenge. 

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,442 Senior Member
    I saw primers at the Pensacola gun show weekend before last.  It was expensive, but they were available
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,592 Senior Member

    The 100 cases of Auto Rim will last me a lifetime.    This is for my copy of the Indiana Jones S&W 1917.  By using these I can skip the moon clips AND  can load properly sized to bore .455 bullets.
    You mean like these  :smile:







    Or maybe the less politically correct MKIV?



    Blimey!  I've gone Limey!
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
    Probably the top ones.  This gun serves no purpose but to make me smile and that does not need to meet any particular level of accuracy or “stopping power”. 

    The first Indiana Jones movie is one of my favorite movies ever and I decided I needed to collect a set of copies of Indy’s props.  

    At some point it’ll be sitting in a cubby in my office with the appropriate whip, hat and bag that I already have.    The top RN bullets will make the cartridges in a repro-vintage box look appropriate.

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 8,627 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    I saw primers at the Pensacola gun show weekend before last.  It was expensive, but they were available
    Must have been Georgia Arms. They were at the PC show a week earlier. They had some Serbian primers $80 per hundred. Last time they had Federals for $100-100. 

    I use auto rim in my 1917 Smith, same .45ACP dies, just a different shell holder!
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
    Big Al1 said:
    Diver43 said:
    I saw primers at the Pensacola gun show weekend before last.  It was expensive, but they were available
    Must have been Georgia Arms. They were at the PC show a week earlier. They had some Serbian primers $80 per hundred. Last time they had Federals for $100-100. 

    I use auto rim in my 1917 Smith, same .45ACP dies, just a different shell holder!
    Where did you get the bullets you loaded for me to try out?  

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 8,627 Senior Member
    I won't deal with the guy I got them from, anymore. He was a grumpy old man!! I haven't got any since, but there's a few places that have them. 
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
    Big Al1 said:
    I won't deal with the guy I got them from, anymore. He was a grumpy old man!! I haven't got any since, but there's a few places that have them. 
    K, thanks!  I'll have to google some stuff  :#

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,556 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 said:
    Where was the .45 Auto Rim from?
    Ammo and cases from Midway.  I set the email notices probably a year ago and had forgotten about them.   Ammo had a two box limit but with what I have already and shooting a single shot I’m good for a bit.  The cases are even more important than the actual ammo.  Brass is hell to find in 38-55.

    The 100 cases of Auto Rim will last me a lifetime.    This is for my copy of the Indiana Jones S&W 1917.  By using these I can skip the moon clips AND  can load properly sized to bore .455 bullets.
    Thanks hey
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
    Big Al1 said:
    I won't deal with the guy I got them from, anymore. He was a grumpy old man!! I haven't got any since, but there's a few places that have them. 
    Ok damn things are impossible to find.  Any thoughts on suppliers that may have some stock?

    Anyone?

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 8,627 Senior Member
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,592 Senior Member
    Matt's bullets has the British .455 MKII hollow base/round nose bullets.

    But first a question:  Have you slugged your barrel to confirm it's .455"?  Or pin-gauged the cylinder throats, for that matter  The Webley MKVI revolvers are. . .weird.  They have ~.452" cylinder throats and ~.455", necessitating the hollow base.  Not sure if S&W followed that pattern or if they "knew better" - o just pulled barrels off the M1917 line. Could be you don't need to go that fat.

    If you CAN run a .452, take a peek at Matt's "250 Grain Short Nose Keith".  This is Elmer's Lyman 452423, which was his .45 Auto Rim bullet, and probably one of the more brutally pragmatic bullets conceived for the "We're not trying for long range or high velocity here" service revolvers.  I've got a clone of that mold - it makes a NICE thump.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    Matt's bullets has the British .455 MKII hollow base/round nose bullets.

    But first a question:  Have you slugged your barrel to confirm it's .455"?  Or pin-gauged the cylinder throats, for that matter  The Webley MKVI revolvers are. . .weird.  They have ~.452" cylinder throats and ~.455", necessitating the hollow base.  Not sure if S&W followed that pattern or if they "knew better" - o just pulled barrels off the M1917 line. Could be you don't need to go that fat.

    If you CAN run a .452, take a peek at Matt's "250 Grain Short Nose Keith".  This is Elmer's Lyman 452423, which was his .45 Auto Rim bullet, and probably one of the more brutally pragmatic bullets conceived for the "We're not trying for long range or high velocity here" service revolvers.  I've got a clone of that mold - it makes a NICE thump.
    Great thanks!  I have their 260gr hollow based .455 in my cart.  Only ordering 100 to try them out, I only have 100 Auto Rim cases anyway.  If they work well I'll order more cases and bullets when there is better inventory out there.

    The barrel of the barrel of the gun is marked .455 with an X struck over the last 5 to show a conversion to .45acp and moon clip operation.  I believe the original was basically the same, definitely started life as a .455.  

    The chambers in the cylinder are .45acp chambers.  I have not bothered with doing all the measuring.  I figured a soft .455 HBRN will work under all scenarios and I really just want the gun to shoot close to POA and I'm good to go.  It will not be used for anything but range fun and maybe as a Halloween party costume prop someday  :D

    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
    Big Al1 said:
    Oh I have to take a better look at these!  The price is HALF of what Matt's bullets wants for theirs.  They are not His but I don't know that I care that much.  Thanks!

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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,592 Senior Member
    The Matt's bullets are the authentic Webley slug.  I'm guessing the Missouri's are a solid base.  Any extra expense is probably mostly down to the fact that hollow base bullets are a bit more of a PITA to cast (see the extra hardware on the pics of my mold).  Before MP molds out of Slovenia started making the 4-cavity molds in my pics, the single cavity RCBS option was how I made them - - which SUCKED!  The hollow base is mainly only necessary if you have cylinder throats that are smaller than your groove diameter, when the reverse or same is how it's typically done.  If you can get away without that - or if you aren't possessed with a sense of needing to shoot the authentic British stuff (and if you shoot Webleys, you almost certainly are) - then by all means, go solid base.

    If you know someone with a machinist's pin gauge set, he can get you exact bore and cylinder throat diameters, and groove is just a simple matter of pounding through a pure lead slug.  That will tell you what you NEED.

    If you don't want to go through that, the hollow base has the advantage of sealing the bore even if the starting diameters are somewhat in conflict.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Posts: 4,072 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    The Matt's bullets are the authentic Webley slug.  I'm guessing the Missouri's are a solid base.  Any extra expense is probably mostly down to the fact that hollow base bullets are a bit more of a PITA to cast (see the extra hardware on the pics of my mold).  Before MP molds out of Slovenia started making the 4-cavity molds in my pics, the single cavity RCBS option was how I made them - - which SUCKED!  The hollow base is mainly only necessary if you have cylinder throats that are smaller than your groove diameter, when the reverse or same is how it's typically done.  If you can get away without that - or if you aren't possessed with a sense of needing to shoot the authentic British stuff (and if you shoot Webleys, you almost certainly are) - then by all means, go solid base.

    If you know someone with a machinist's pin gauge set, he can get you exact bore and cylinder throat diameters, and groove is just a simple matter of pounding through a pure lead slug.  That will tell you what you NEED.

    If you don't want to go through that, the hollow base has the advantage of sealing the bore even if the starting diameters are somewhat in conflict.
    Yep, the Missouri bullets are solid base.  No Webley revolvers in my safe.  The only gun that will be firing these is my faux Indy Jones gun...

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    Mine:

    Some day I will have the correct front sight installed.  The sucker is useless except as a toy but it puts a big smile on my face every time I fire it.  I barely care where the bullets land, have not faced large guys dressed like Zorba with Scimitars lately  :D


    Big Al loaded these for me in .45acp cases to try out which worked very well with moon clips.  I basically want to do the same/similar in Auto Rim cases.  But by the way the gun shoots .45acp soft lead ammo just fine too.  I just want to have a box or two of stuff I don't need to load in moon clips.  And really aesthetics are playing a second fiddle to performance and ballistics with this one.





    It’s a °IIIII° thing 😎

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