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  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,871 Senior Member
    I've looked into crossbow hunting and really there are only a couple of states allowing it during archery season. Most of them allow it for the handicapped, which is awesome. Wyoming and I think Alabama...maybe Missouri too, allow them during regular archery. This is why I want a crossbow lol.
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    Add Nebraska to that list as of this past season. Crossbows can be used by anyone during regular archery season. Inline muzzleloaders featuring variable power scopes, with whatever powder and bullet configuration you wish, are also legal and have been for some time (a fact I didn't know about when I took out my inline, still armed with the previously required 1x scope, to kill a doe a couple of seasons back). In Nebraska, these laws make sense, though: they want deer numbers down in a bad way and have inched toward looser restrictions on weapons to achieve that goal steadily over the past decade. It's a matter of legitimate game management in this case.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Tennessee also added crossbow hunting to the archery season last year. Previously, they were only legal during gun season unless a hunter was unable to draw a regular bow, certified by a doctor.
    Jerry
  • minnesotashooterminnesotashooter Senior Member Posts: 791 Senior Member
    Stick12 wrote: »
    In Minnesota its legal to have a scope on a muzzleloader during the regular firearms season but it is illegal to have a scope on it during muzzleloader season. Only iron sights can be used unless you have a special disability permit. This makes no sense to me

    Fellow Minnesotan as well and I agree that this has to be the stupidest hunting reg in our state! Welcome to the forum.
  • N454casullN454casull Member Posts: 647 Senior Member
    The most fun we have is trying to figure out where we are and which state's reg's we are to follow. The Columbia River is the border between Washington and Oregon and ofcourse Washington and Oregon have diffrent reg's for fishing as well as hunting. So that means if your in the main channel (where ever that is) you can go by the rules of the state your license is from if you leave the main channel (again where ever that is) you have to go by the states side your on. Our local Warden is a very common sense kinda guy and is pretty cool but there are others that seem to live to harass people.

    I'm not for more rules and more reg's to look up but it seems like it would just be easier to make a special section for the Columbia where it borders two states.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Fellow Minnesotan as well and I agree that this has to be the stupidest hunting reg in our state! Welcome to the forum.

    Not to start an argument because we all have an opinion and a right to it. I'm merely stating mine. Back in the 80s when black powder was gaining momentum, the whole object of black powder season was the tradition of the old black powder firearms. People bought them already finished or they finished them themselves. Then through the 90s and up to the present, money got into the game and the manufacturers produced whatever they could sell legally. And the black powder arms are now much the same as regular centerfire hunting rifles. Scopes soon followed and everyone was in the game. But to some of us more old fashion dynosaurs like me, this is not in the true black powder tradition. I love the old browed steel and hand rubbed wood stocks iron sighted Ol' Betsys of the past. In my opinion these new inlines with scopes are merely ways to get around bag limits. These inlines are not the true black powder rifles. Anyway, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 22,197 Senior Member
    I think it's funny that so many people act like a ML with inline ignition is something new and wonderful, considering it has been around for over 200 years. A Swiss gentleman named Pauley had a patent issued in 1808 for a lock using inline ignition and cylindrical hammer driven by a coil spring.

    But I guess since the newly made ones LOOK too different, they MUST be "bad" :drool:

    edited to add a link to my source:
    http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/history_muzzleloading.htm
    (scroll down to the "Inline" section)
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 17,617 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    I think it's funny that so many people act like a ML with inline ignition is something new and wonderful, considering it has been around for over 200 years. A Swiss gentleman named Pauley had a patent issued in 1808 for a lock using inline ignition and cylindrical hammer driven by a coil spring.

    Yeah, but I bet he didn't have a 3-9 Leupold screwed to it...:jester:

    In MI, a guy named Roy "Pa" Keeler worked very hard to get the first muzzle loader season, and we got it...a primitive weapons season with round ball only...no Minie, Maxi or other elongated projectiles...over the years it morphed into a season that allowed ANYTHING that loaded from the front, including plastic saboted, jacketed pistol bullets, shotgun primers, etc... not the thing that Roy worked so hard for... Sorry, but as far as keeping in the spirit of a "primitive weapons season" the new breed of in-lines don't make it...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 22,197 Senior Member
    If it's called "Primitive" season, then by all means, limit it to side hammer percussion or flint lock ML's
    But don't allow archers to use anything more recent than a recurve without sights either.

    If it's called "Muzzle loader" season, then if it loads from the muzzle I'm good with it.

    Alabama has gone so far as now allowing spears during bow season
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 8,227 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    Alabama has gone so far as now allowing spears during bow season

    I think you're about to get BP's attention.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • 1965Jeff1965Jeff Senior Member Posts: 1,648 Senior Member
    In KS a new fishing reg was just passed that no live bait can travel to a fishing area that was not purchased at an approved bait seller. No more seining your own bait unless used in the area seined in from a connecting stream, this is to stop the spread of zebra mussels among other undesirable pests. But I can't take a live Crappie and throw it in my pond to grow or improve the stock in my ponds. We would catch small Bluegills for bait for setting bank lines and I think this is illegal now as well.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    In Idaho:

    To purchase a second deer tag, we must pay the nonresident fee of $301.75!

    Snaring of snoeshow hares is prohibited, but we can snare gray wolves.

    Idaho does not require black bear carcasses to be removed from the field. Only skins, skulls, and proof of sex.

    Good for Idaho. Especially if inline muzzle loaders are legal for black powder season.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,871 Senior Member
    1965Jeff wrote: »
    In KS a new fishing reg was just passed that no live bait can travel to a fishing area that was not purchased at an approved bait seller. No more seining your own bait unless used in the area seined in from a connecting stream, this is to stop the spread of zebra mussels among other undesirable pests. But I can't take a live Crappie and throw it in my pond to grow or improve the stock in my ponds. We would catch small Bluegills for bait for setting bank lines and I think this is illegal now as well.

    Welcome to the era of nuisance water species! Here, you MUST have the receipt from the place you purchased your bait, and it is only good for 7 days from purchase. You absolutely CANNOT dump your bought bait into the lake when you are done fishing. We can still seine/catch bait, but it has to be used at THAT body of water if it is to be used live. For cutbait, this is not required. And we also can no longer transport any live fish at all, period. Got 3 eyes in the tank? Better be ready to kill and fillet then at the shore before you leave the park. We also cannot have filleted and/or cleaned fish while still actively fishing, such as in a cooler or on a boat. This one makes sense, because we have min. requirements for many species and its easy to harvest a 14" instead of a legal 15" and just fillet it and toss the carcass.
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Fellow Minnesotan as well and I agree that this has to be the stupidest hunting reg in our state! Welcome to the forum.

    It all depends on how you see muzzleloading hunting. For some of us we believe that the original intent was for a primative season and the inlines with scopes aren't very primative. They defeat the purpose of a primative season. But it's all a matter of opinion. Of course I do agree that if it brings more people to hunting and shooting then it's not so bad.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,403 Senior Member
    knitepoet wrote: »
    If it's called "Primitive" season, then by all means, limit it to side hammer percussion or flint lock ML's
    But don't allow archers to use anything more recent than a recurve without sights either.

    If it's called "Muzzle loader" season, then if it loads from the muzzle I'm good with it.

    The reason they have a separate muzzle loader/primitive season is to give hunters more time to harvest a deer because you greatly reduce your chances by using primitive gear that reduces you range. If your equipment has the same range as a rifle/shotgun, why get more time/chance fotr the same tag price???

    Ohio has a long bow season and I don't think crossbows or compounds with more than 50% let-off should be allowed for the whole season (during the rut).
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • 41 cal41 cal Member Posts: 97 Member
    I bowhunted Illinois and as traveling we had to have some kind of lock ,lock device including tiestraps,on the string/cable.I'm sure this was to prevent shooting a bow from vehicle as I think @ this I try to picture me trying to shoot a deer at night out of a vehicle w/bow ... seemed a little silly and we had one poor guy in our group cut his string as ha tried to cut the plastic tiestrap in the treestand, which almost ruined his whole hunt.
    I was always taught to respect my elders, but its getting harder to find one ...
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Well, with Bunny Huggers running most of the show these days, you can't be too careful. Next thing they'll be limiting the magnification on the sight. Like you need that on a bow.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,707 Senior Member
    There is one law I would like to see changed, Here in Ky. you cannot hunt Coyotes at night. they are afraid you will be poaching deer. another is when using a shotgun on coyotes it has to be plugged, two in mag. one in chamber.We can hunt coyotes year round but only during daylight hours...
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    That's true, but I've never seen anyone busted for failure to fill out everything on the tag between the field and the camp. As long as you have that all done before you head for home and the dates are cut out so you can't reuse the tag another day, I've never seen or heard of a warden that would bust you for that. We always completed that back at the cabin when we filled out the lease log.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Might want to check those regs again. You still have to write the name of the ranch and the county on the tag, AND log the deer on the back of the main license. I know hunters who have gotten a ticket for not logging the deer on the license.

    That's true, but I've never seen anyone busted for failure to fill out everything on the tag between the field and the camp. As long as you have that all done before you head for home and the dates are cut out so you can't reuse the tag another day, I've never seen or heard of a warden that would bust you for that. We always completed that back at the cabin when we filled out the lease log. But the dates were cut out in the field.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • sarg1csarg1c Senior Member Posts: 1,707 Senior Member
    I shot two this season within 30 sec, could have taken a third, but didn't know how many can be taken per day. Later learned I could have taken 4. I get 4 tags with my license. Only one buck.I called a friend to find out but thought I had better get these two home. Never saw this group of deer again during the Season. Only saw one nice buck during the modern gun or muzzle loader season.Here in Ky. you call in and get a conformation number that has to go with the game to the butcher. Have to keep a log on back of license and as some said earlier, it's hard to write on these tickets. Must carry a pen with you while hunting.even have to call for conformation number when finding sheds...
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    Here's a classic example. Last weekend I went up to the camp to refill feeders, do a little work on some stands, and pull the cards from some cameras. even though there is an epidemic of hogs in Alabama, you cannot shoot them near a feeder. We have lots of hogs on our land but the adults are nocturnal and when this litter of piglets comes out in daylight,(which they're doing daily) all we can do is look at them.


    The grownups only come out at night,

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    but these guys aren't smart enough yet. (and this is an extremely yummy size:tooth:)



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    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    Here's a classic example. Last weekend I went up to the camp to refill feeders, do a little work on some stands, and pull the cards from some cameras. even though there is an epidemic of hogs in Alabama, you cannot shoot them near a feeder. We have lots of hogs on our land but the adults are nocturnal and when this litter of piglets comes out in daylight,(which they're doing daily) all we can do is look at them.


    The grownups only come out at night,

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    but these guys aren't smart enough yet. (and this is an extremely yummy size:tooth:)



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    Back when I was a kid, Alabama was one of those states I always felt a kinship to. Mainly because a bunch of my dad's family came from there AND Georgia. My great grand father White was born in Phoenix City. and my great great grandfather Walker was a Confederate Soldier who road in the Confederate Cavalry with Nathan Bedford Forest throught the Civil War. So it amazes me how such a place could be so loaded with bunny huggers today. Texas has its share in government offices, however Parks and Wildlife haven't totally lost it yet. They still let you hunt over feed, especially Hogs. I really thing if a game warden saw you shoot a hog from the road, he would turn his head and act like he didn't see , they hate hogs so bad here.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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