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blueslide88
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anti-gun media strikes again
blueslide88
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If you read or hear from any source that Florida's "stand your ground" law has been the cause of a dramatic increase in its "justifiable homicide" rate, using statistics from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, be assured that it is a lie.
The Tampa Tribune (quoting CNN), and the Tampa Bay Times have very recently editorialized against the "stand your ground" law using the above as evidence. I investigated those stats, called the FDLE and checked their site, because it does NOT publish such stats.
The FDLE does keep that record internally, however, and it is available to the public upon request. The problem is how the FDLE defines "justifiable homicide" (as reported to it by Florida's Law Enforcement agencies). It's definition is:
"The killing of the perpetrator of a serious criminal offense either by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty, or by a private citizen, during the commission of a serious criminal offense"
This definition has nothing whatsoever to do with any "stand your ground" issue, and only reflects the fact that LEs and citizens have killed more and more bad guys in the act of a serious crime. The stat is entirely irrelevant to any SYG situation. So goes the liberal and irresponsible media.
I'm trying to spread the word.
The Tampa Tribune (quoting CNN), and the Tampa Bay Times have very recently editorialized against the "stand your ground" law using the above as evidence. I investigated those stats, called the FDLE and checked their site, because it does NOT publish such stats.
The FDLE does keep that record internally, however, and it is available to the public upon request. The problem is how the FDLE defines "justifiable homicide" (as reported to it by Florida's Law Enforcement agencies). It's definition is:
"The killing of the perpetrator of a serious criminal offense either by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty, or by a private citizen, during the commission of a serious criminal offense"
This definition has nothing whatsoever to do with any "stand your ground" issue, and only reflects the fact that LEs and citizens have killed more and more bad guys in the act of a serious crime. The stat is entirely irrelevant to any SYG situation. So goes the liberal and irresponsible media.
I'm trying to spread the word.
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I'm taking this "Stand Your Ground Law" as about the same thing as the Castle Doctrine, am I correct?
If it is indeed about the same as the Castle Doctrine, then I don't pay any attention to the antis Condemnation of it. They don't care whether it helps the honest law abiding citizen safe or not, all they're looking at or thinking about is their agenda to disarm the common man again. Card Carrying, radical liberals hate the second amendment and will say and do anything to do away with it. They've been blowing smoke over the Castle Doctrine since Perry signed it in to law about 4 years ago. I think it's one of the best things Perry has done since he came into office.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
No...it is not the same thing..."Castle Doctrine" applies to your domicile...."Stand Your Ground" covers self-defense to include "any place you have a legal right to be"...off your property, etc etc etc.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Isn't that what our Constitution guarantees us?
I think Rick Scott signed that into law in Florida.
This shooter (Zimmerman) seems to be a law enforcement wannabe. Wearing his manhood on the barrel of his firearm.
He was told by local law enforcement not to follow this kid. His job was to observe and report, nothing more.
Who knows? Maybe the kid was up to no good, but all the evidence says that he was unarmed.
From the photographs, Zimmerman looks like a pretty robust guy and the kid looks like a skinny teenager.
This one act by an over zealous neighborhood watch guy does tremendous damage to lawful, gunbearing citizens.
I say throw the book at him.
Jim
The fact is that the FDLE stat they're using has NOTHING to do with SYG. The antis would love to attack and dismantle all the pro-gun laws Florida has introduced beginning way back in 1988 when CCW went into effect. Florida has over 900,000 valid CCW licenses right now, and that number is increasing every month, with over 90,000 non-resident licenses. Liberals love "incrementalism" as a tool, one law at a time, and they see an opportunity here.
Where have you seen a recent picture???? I haven't seen any where he is over 12...
The Shooter is definitely Up Sheep Creek, and the whole story has nothing to do with SYG...... BUT, the fact that the media uses this picture exclusively is biased and purposely inaccurate.....
http://m.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin
Why is that?
Because this is NOT the 17 year old, 6 foot tall victim....
I'm not saying that anything about this shooting is right, but the family , the rabble rousers and the media are playing the public by using pictures of a 12 year old kid...
I agree...the shooter can't even possibly use the "disparity of force" argument...BUT by using the pictures they are using, they are skewing the facts and the American public is swallowing it hook, line and sinker...they even go so far as to refer to the victim as a "child"....when in reality he was a young adult....
The gunshot ensued. When interviewed that night, Zimmerman said he "was on his way to my truck" when he was attacked and beaten up by Martin, and that he acted in self-defense. If Zimmerman was on his way to his truck, then obviously he was retreating, and Martin was the clear aggressor in the act of a serious criminal offense (see above conditions for the FDLE's justifiable homicide category).
This is all anti-gun politics, and actually has nothing to do with SYG.
Incidentally, Zimmerman was bloody with grass stains and grass moisture on the back of his clothing. The witness was on 911 and also comments that he thought the guy in red was dead because he wasn't moving. Case closed, as far as I'm concerned. Where will the libs go now?
If this is true, why have I seen 5+ news stories and read 5+ articles by Major Media and none of them have managed to include this???
(He was still wrong to ever get out of his truck in the first place)
If Zimmerman was on his back getting pummeled, he could have been in fear for his life. Still, he is at fault, he initiated the confrontation.................
Here's one source, don't know how good it is...
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2012/03/legal_deadly_force.html
BTW, I'd doubt claims that Zimmerman wasn't moving. Witnesses reported coming out and seeing Zimmerman ON TOP OF Martin, with his hands on the back of his head (that's how blood probably got there) with a "Oh, ####!" look on his face, advising them to call 911.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-16/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-parents-20120316_1_witness-intimidation-police-job-press-conference
From the article:
Mary Cutcher, who lives in a townhome near where Trayvon was shot, said she heard what sounded like a child crying and then a gunshot. When Cutcher went outside, she said she saw Zimmerman crouched over the boy's body. Trayvon, who was shot once in the chest, was face down, Cutcher said.
One more article: evidently, some saw the fight and while Martin may have been on top of Zimmerman, they did separate...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborhood-watch-shooting-trayvon-martin-probe-reveals-questionable/story?id=15907136#.T20zONl6RSp
Exactly! Media is supposed to have standards. Why are the stories on NBC different than the ones on Fox??? Why are they picking and chosing the facts to include???
Saw one on Fox where Zimmerman said he was hit from behind and had a wound on back of his head. He said he was on his back and his back was wet. Zimmerman has been robbed 8 times, that is why he would follow a strange teen near his house.
This guy saw Z yelling for help. That may be why the LEO corrected the woman who only heard the yells....
Zimmerman is guilty just by leaving his truck, but what he is guilty of is ?????????
Trayvon was just protecting himself against 'some weird guy' that was following him from the store....
What gets me (the original topic) is how the media is contributing to the misinformation and feeding the flames. They want the hype purely for $$$, not for the injustice of a teen losing his life for no reason.....
The thing here is, there's a great deal of confusion as to what happened. While the media seems to be portraying only one side of the confusion (and while I haven't watched Fox, if they're only reporting the others side they're JUST as biased as the other members of the media,) it is showing that there's conflict in the witness reports.
Now, if we get down to the facts of the shooting: it seems that if Sanford PD had done a competent job, we might have less of an uproar. We don't know what the facts are, but the fact that there are two sets of very opposed accounts at this point indicates (to me) that things have not been thoroughly done as they should.
Bream's got a point here! Some say that fact is stranger than truth. If the investigation was bached, by the LEO's it would not be the first, or the last time an investigation was bached by someone. I ain't bashing LEO's here I am just agreeing with Breamfisher here. There's three sides to every story" My side, Your side, and the truth.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-23/news/os-trayvon-martin-questions-20120323_1_sanford-cops-sanford-police-investigator-suspicious-death
I found this from his facebook page.
Right now all we know is what we see or hear in the news, and it has been well stated in this thread that the media is mainly interested in ratings, getting the scoop, maybe a Pulitizer. So you can't believe everything you hear, and until Zimmerman is charged with a crime and goes to trial, we aren't going to see some real evidence.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf
Note Officer Smith's observations re: Zimmerman, the bleeding nose and bleeding wound on the back of his head, and the grass stains, etc. Now we are gaining factual information. Now tie the police report into this story by Fox Tampa which was just released and supports what it said on the news TV show I watched, about a newly disclosed witness who adds some more detailed info:
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012
The truth is elusive, but I'm determined to dig as best I can. The liberal media is acting just like a lynch mob, it sure seems to me. Now they've got the feds involved with no evidence whatsoever of a racist issue. Could this be politics? Remember that Florida is a key state in the presidential election process, and is currently leaning (pro-gun) Republican.