Who I Will Vote For!

snake284snake284 Senior MemberPosts: 21,851 Senior Member
I made up my mind way back there that whoever wins the Republican nomination gets my vote. And I WILL vote. No staying at home on election day for me. Here's my rational. There is no rational. We have NO CHOICE!!! And you libs here that love guns listen up too. If we want to keep our firearms, and ultimately live by our Constitution, we have no other choice than to get Obama out of the White House. This is not a racial issue. This is what we have to do. It's Obama's political views that cause me not to want him as president. Not his race or anything else. It's purly political.

First of all, the big problem with Obama being president is as president he gets to pick supreme court justices. We've seen two of his picks already and both are liberal antigunners. We have been extremely lucky that those two replaced other liberal justices and not our core conservative base on the court or else we would no doubt have seen the ruling that countered DC v. Heller. Then our gun rights would be toilet tissue. We would lose them, and probably a lot of others too.
We have to give BHO his retirement notice in November. I wish him well as long as he's not in the government.

Also, one thing that hacked me was what happened to Herman Cain. In my opinion this was another LEFT induced farce. They drummed him out on BS. Why hadn't these women every mentioned any of this before? I mean it was years ago and not a whisper about it until he gets up in the poles. The left and the NAACP can't affored a conservative black in the White House. This would blow the big myth that they and the NAACP have propagated for 47 years that the Democratic party and the Left do more for black Americans. All they'vedone is keep them down with their entitlement policies and their reverse discrimination. So they had to take extreme measures to get Cain out of the race and they did.

We need to get Obama out of the White House and we don't need a dark horse third party candidate coming in and syphoning off votes. This will only give Obama 4 more years in office and the opportunity to stock the Supreme Court with liberal activist justices and that will be the end of us as we know this country.
Daddy, what's an enabler?
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Snake, I agree with you about voting for the nominee, whomever.

    Our being in Texas of course ensures the electoral votes will go Republican. Of course, we will still determine local and regional seats. Consider the 2008 election, where something like a dozen state legislatures turned from Democrat to Republican, and Rep. governors were also elected. And of course, we won back the US House, which has thankfully put a cork in new Obamacrazy laws getting passed.

    Sure, some of them were moderate Republicans (which I strongly contend is NOT the same thing as a RINO). But even a moderate R. is better than a liberal Demo.

    We REALLY need the faithful vote from Republicans in borderline states, particularly the larger ones, like PA, FLA, MI, etc. Those swing states will determine the presidency. States like NY and CAL are lost.

    You're also right about not voting 3rd party. Look what Ross Perot cost us.

    I realize we're singing the same old song here, but we do need to be party loyalists this time around. Whatever is done afterward, say, by electing a moderate like Romney, will still be heavenly compared to re-electing Obama. He's got to go!

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    To illustrate how bad I want Obama out of office, if Chris (alpha) was running for president and North ToAk was his running mate I would vote for them instead of Obama, now that is how bad I want him out of office.
  • rallykidrallykid Senior Member Posts: 657 Senior Member
    I will hold my nose and vote for the Republican no matter what. The sad Part is it is a vote against obama and not for the other guy. I have rarely had a candidate I voted for but there were a lot I voted against.
    No, I do not have a pink fuzzy bunny fetish but apparently my Facebook hacking wife does.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,714 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    You're also right about not voting 3rd party. Look what Ross Perot cost us.

    And what was that exactly? The last budget surplus?
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,851 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Snake, I agree with you about voting for the nominee, whomever.

    Our being in Texas of course ensures the electoral votes will go Republican. Of course, we will still determine local and regional seats. Consider the 2008 election, where something like a dozen state legislatures turned from Democrat to Republican, and Rep. governors were also elected. And of course, we won back the US House, which has thankfully put a cork in new Obamacrazy laws getting passed.

    Sure, some of them were moderate Republicans (which I strongly contend is NOT the same thing as a RINO). But even a moderate R. is better than a liberal Demo.

    We REALLY need the faithful vote from Republicans in borderline states, particularly the larger ones, like PA, FLA, MI, etc. Those swing states will determine the presidency. States like NY and CAL are lost.

    You're also right about not voting 3rd party. Look what Ross Perot cost us.

    I realize we're singing the same old song here, but we do need to be party loyalists this time around. Whatever is done afterward, say, by electing a moderate like Romney, will still be heavenly compared to re-electing Obama. He's got to go!

    Yeah Sam, I agree. A Rino is actually a Liberal in disguise. A Moderate is a Moderate. Although I don't think we need too many of either, I'd much rather moderate Republcan than an out and out liberal.

    You're hitting the nails on their heads here Sam. You too are so right. No matter who we elect, it will be ok as long as it isn't Obama. We can't let him be in a position to pick a Supreme Court Justice.

    One more thing I've said before too. I agree with some that Romney acted liberal in Massachusetts, but how else you going to get elected in Massachusetts? You gotta play liberal. I still say though Romney is a full blood Politician, he's got to be conservative at heart. He's a succussful business man and liberals don't do well at that. When you see Romney truly on the big American stage, he will appear much more conservative.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,851 Senior Member
    To illustrate how bad I want Obama out of office, if Chris (alpha) was running for president and North ToAk was his running mate I would vote for them instead of Obama, now that is how bad I want him out of office.

    Amen on that Mike, Alph would make an infinitely better president than Obammy.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,141 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Amen on that Mike, Alph would make an infinitely better president than Obammy.
    You guys are REALLY getting carried away. I would not vote for any damn progresso-lib. One of my ex-friends was a lib who happened to like guns. We constantly argued the merits of an Obama presidency before the election, and the merits of Obamacare after the election. We parted ways over politics, and I have ZERO interest in having any personal relationship with libs ever again unless they can prove to me, that they support the Constitution in it's entirety.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Member Posts: 203 Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    And what was that exactly? The last budget surplus?

    Exactly. Ross Perot almost cost Clinton the election. The idea that a third party only gets votes from a republican is a misguided.

    Ron paul gets my write-in or vote if he runs third party or god forbid, the Republicans come to their senses and puts him on the ticket.
  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    You guys are REALLY getting carried away. I would not vote for any damn progresso-lib. One of my ex-friends was a lib who happened to like guns. We constantly argued the merits of an Obama presidency before the election, and the merits of Obamacare after the election. We parted ways over politics, and I have ZERO interest in having any personal relationship with libs ever again unless they can prove to me, that they support the Constitution in it's entirety.

    Speaking for myself and not for Mike, I was using alpha and North ToAk and voting for them as a figure of speech (an expression that uses language in a nonliteral way) to impress upon this forum's audience who are very familiar with alpha and North ToAk, just how much I want Obama out of office, nothing more, so I don't think I took it to far since a figure of speech is not used in a literal way.:jester:
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,141 Senior Member
    Speaking for myself and not for Mike, I was using alpha and North ToAk and voting for them as a figure of speech (an expression that uses language in a nonliteral way) to impress upon this forum's audience who are very familiar with alpha and North ToAk, just how much I want Obama out of office, nothing more, so I don't think I took it to far since a figure of speech is not used in a literal way.
    I know....I guess I should have put a smiley or something there to express my understanding of your point.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    Exactly. Ross Perot almost cost Clinton the election. The idea that a third party only gets votes from a republican is a misguided.

    Ron paul gets my write-in or vote if he runs third party or god forbid, the Republicans come to their senses and puts him on the ticket.

    Er, Ross Perot siphoned off REPUBLICAN votes. 3rd party candidates don't only get Republican votes -- the Amer. Socialists party gets Demo votes all the time. But Big, sorry, you're incorrect about the Bush 41 loss. There were other factors ("read my lips" etc) but Perot did indeed cost Bush the election. Exit polls and later surverys proved this without question.

    So, you're gonna write in Ron Paul, in which case, knowing he's got zero chance, you're filing a "protest vote" and would therefore be pleased if Obama won again as a result? Because that's precisely what will happen if too many Republicans either stay home or write in a protest candidate in November.

    I hope it doesn't happen but if it does, and NC swings to the Demos, you be sure to post your satisfaction of the outcome here, following the election, okay?

    Sorry, I just can't see it that way. I'm not keen on Romney but electing a moderate Republican is light years ahead of re-electing Obama. If only for a single thing: Supreme Court appointments.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,141 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    .........Sorry, I just can't see it that way. I'm not keen on Romney but electing a moderate Republican is light years ahead of re-electing Obama. If only for a single thing: Supreme Court appointments.
    This may be THE most important issue of the election, and not many people are talking about it, especially since 2 or 3 of them may be close to retirement.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • samzheresamzhere Banned Posts: 10,923 Senior Member
    To illustrate how bad I want Obama out of office, if Chris (alpha) was running for president and North ToAk was his running mate I would vote for them instead of Obama, now that is how bad I want him out of office.

    Now you're talking sense! We need to all get behind Alphasig and see if we can push him into a nomination. Problem is, which party? Mmmm... American Communist? Naw, they're all dead. American Socialist? Naw, none of them get up early enough to go vote.

    I know! The "Party of What's Happenin' Now!"

    I realize that alphasig is too shy to accept campaign donations so I'll act as national campaign manager on his behalf. Send all contributions (cash preferred) to PO 4310032, Houston TX 4022034.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,539 Senior Member
    samzhere wrote: »
    Er, Ross Perot siphoned off REPUBLICAN votes. 3rd party candidates don't only get Republican votes -- the Amer. Socialists party gets Demo votes all the time. But Big, sorry, you're incorrect about the Bush 41 loss. There were other factors ("read my lips" etc) but Perot did indeed cost Bush the election. Exit polls and later surverys proved this without question.

    So, you're gonna write in Ron Paul, in which case, knowing he's got zero chance, you're filing a "protest vote" and would therefore be pleased if Obama won again as a result? Because that's precisely what will happen if too many Republicans either stay home or write in a protest candidate in November.

    I hope it doesn't happen but if it does, and NC swings to the Demos, you be sure to post your satisfaction of the outcome here, following the election, okay?

    Sorry, I just can't see it that way. I'm not keen on Romney but electing a moderate Republican is light years ahead of re-electing Obama. If only for a single thing: Supreme Court appointments.

    I agree totally, 100% with this assessment. I'll also add that Ralph Nader probably cost Al Gore the 2000 election. If not, he certainly took more votes from Gore than from Bush.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,851 Senior Member
    You guys are REALLY getting carried away. I would not vote for any damn progresso-lib. One of my ex-friends was a lib who happened to like guns. We constantly argued the merits of an Obama presidency before the election, and the merits of Obamacare after the election. We parted ways over politics, and I have ZERO interest in having any personal relationship with libs ever again unless they can prove to me, that they support the Constitution in it's entirety.
    Oh wait! hold on. I didn't say i'd vote for alph for prez. I said he would be an infinitely better president than Obama. But hell, my tom cat would be better than Obama! :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Big BatteryBig Battery Member Posts: 203 Member
    Perot did not cost Bush the election. Just google it. It is a myth perpetuated by Republicans to blame their incompetance on that "crazy Perot".

    Ron Paul's core would never vote for a republican for obvious reasons. Add to this the very large percentage of disgruntled Democrats that also would never vote for a Republican, who would begrudgingly vote for Obama if given no other choice. Then add at least half or more of the independents.

    Ron Paul polls ahead of Obama.
  • SirGeorgeKillianSirGeorgeKillian Senior Member Posts: 5,458 Senior Member
    If only Uncle Ted could get more of a following....
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,851 Senior Member
    Perot did not cost Bush the election. Just google it. It is a myth perpetuated by Republicans to blame their incompetance on that "crazy Perot".

    Ron Paul's core would never vote for a republican for obvious reasons. Add to this the very large percentage of disgruntled Democrats that also would never vote for a Republican, who would begrudgingly vote for Obama if given no other choice. Then add at least half or more of the independents.

    Ron Paul polls ahead of Obama.


    Big battery, I don't care what you googled. It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that Perot stole just enough votes to put clinton in and Bush 41 out. Now true enough some of those that voted for Perot never would have voted for a Republican, but that was only a small percentage and on top of that they are people that would cut their nose off to spite their face. It's insane, and if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, if you vote for him as a third party, you vote for Obama, pure and simple. and if Obama gets in you might just can kiss your guns and this country goodbye.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,714 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that Perot stole just enough votes to put clinton in and Bush 41 out.

    Oh come on, Snake...stole votes?!?! 19% of Americans voted for Perot. Bush Sr. was a pathetic RINO that only won his first election because he was RR's veep.

    If the republicans would run a conservative candidate this conversation would not be happening. Election after election the GOP runs lukewarm candidates and conservatives/libertarians are expected to vote for them. Most of the time we hold our noses and vote against the other guy. We continue this every election and somehow expect the GOP to magically change and run conservative candidtates.

    At what point do you say ENOUGH?!?! Four years ago, most of you screamed how you would never vote for Romney. Now you're telling us that he's the saviour of the friggin' country.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,714 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I always wondered how a president would ever have the balls to declare a budget surlpus when as a country you are trillions in debt... It's interesting math that basically says, hey if I can make the minimum payments on all the credit cards that are maxed out and still buy food and pay the rent and there is money left over I HAVE A SURPLUS!!!!! Wooooo Hooooo!!!

    All the bills are paid on time and I have money left over for beer and a movie? That IS the definition of a BUDGET surplus.

    A budget surplus leads to debt reduction and possibly debt elimination. Until the next election.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,851 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    Oh come on, Snake...stole votes?!?! 19% of Americans voted for Perot. Bush Sr. was a pathetic RINO that only won his first election because he was RR's veep.

    If the republicans would run a conservative candidate this conversation would not be happening. Election after election the GOP runs lukewarm candidates and conservatives/libertarians are expected to vote for them. Most of the time we hold our noses and vote against the other guy. We continue this every election and somehow expect the GOP to magically change and run conservative candidtates.



    At what point do you say ENOUGH?!?! Four years ago, most of you screamed how you would never vote for Romney. Now you're telling us that he's the saviour of the friggin' country.

    You got the wrong guy here, so don't put words in my mouth. I never have said I would not vote for Romney. Also I disagree that Bush Sr. was a Rino. He was a moderate for sure, but He was no Rino. What cost him the election and got Perot all stirred up was when he said his famous "Read my Lips" Line, and then the dems held him hostage when he needed to invade Kuwait to get Saddam out. According to John H Sununu, they cut a deal to raise taxes if the congressional Dummycrats agreed to vote for the invasion. Typical Democrat stunt and it cost Papa Bush. Perot came along and promised a bunch of crap he knew he couldn't deliver on and put Clinton in the White House.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    The way I see it, those votes for Ross Perot might as well have been votes for Bill Clinton.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    All the bills are paid on time and I have money left over for beer and a movie? That IS the definition of a BUDGET surplus.

    A budget surplus leads to debt reduction and possibly debt elimination. Until the next election.

    Not if it is used on beer and movies, you won't pay down your debt on your cards, you just kicked the can down the road and when a crisis comes like a real important expense you will once again rob the money you would have used to pay your debt down or if you have any credit left borrow again. How delusional to assume you really have a surplus and Obama is delusional and anyone who would buy into his use of language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on his audience, but lacking in sincerity or being meaningful, as he does anything to hold on to his office, even at our expense and while he miss leads with a straight face, you know "RHETORIC".
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,714 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    You got the wrong guy here, so don't put words in my mouth. I never have said I would not vote for Romney.

    You are right. I do not remember who you personally supported last cycle; my statement was a generalization pointed towards the majority of the G&A forum members that supported McCain four years ago. Many STILL blame Ron Paul for McCain's loss. The same group will blame Paul (and of course his supporters) for Romney's loss in November, if he loses.

    I stand by the rest of my statement.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 4,714 Senior Member
    Not if it is used on beer and movies, you won't pay down your debt on your cards, you just kicked the can down the road and when a crisis comes like a real important expense you will once again rob the money you would have used to pay your debt down or if you have any credit left borrow again. How delusional to assume you really have a surplus and Obama is delusional and anyone who would buy into his use of language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on his audience, but lacking in sincerity or being meaningful, as he does anything to hold on to his office, even at our expense and while he miss leads with a straight face, you know "RHETORIC".

    I was joking about beer and a movie, but face it, that is how Americans live. Why should our gon't behave any differently? Additionally, I wasn't even talking about Obama.

    Look, I think Obama is the antichrist. He is the polar opposite of almost everything I believe in. That said, do not expect me to throw my support to a man that has a record of pushing mandatory healthcare and gun bans while he held an executive office. What's the difference? If Obama is the antichrist, this makes Romney close to Beelzebub.

    Hmm...Antichrist vs Beelzebub...maybe I will sit this one out.
    The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.

    Ayn Rand
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,851 Senior Member
    Like I said, I believe that Romney did what he did to get elected, not an impossibility for a politician you know, and it doesn't mean he's evil. That's what his constituents in Massachusetts expected of him or they wouldn't have elected him. But at heart, Romney is a businessmand. I believe he is more conservative than has met the eye before. When he knows he has to please others besides liberals, I think he will folllow suit. We don't know this of course, but what we do know is a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama cause a third party has never and won't ever win an election. And if Obama is elected again, Katy bar the door. He will look a lot different in his second term. Things he pretended to not be on fire over will take precedence over what people expect of him. He will revert to an out and out second amendment foe. You will see your rights taken away. Don't say it won't happen. This same thing happened in Australia and to a lesser extent in the UK. We have no choice. Another thing you forget, if Romney is elected on the Republican Ticket, he will be somewhat constrained by the Republican platform which is pro second amendment. Think about it.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • beartrackerbeartracker Senior Member Posts: 3,116 Senior Member
    CaliFFL wrote: »
    I was joking about beer and a movie, but face it, that is how Americans live. Why should our gon't behave any differently? Additionally, I wasn't even talking about Obama.

    Look, I think Obama is the antichrist. He is the polar opposite of almost everything I believe in. That said, do not expect me to throw my support to a man that has a record of pushing mandatory healthcare and gun bans while he held an executive office. What's the difference? If Obama is the antichrist, this makes Romney close to Beelzebub.

    Hmm...Antichrist vs Beelzebub...maybe I will sit this one out.

    Thanks for your qualification but your analogy of Obama vs Romney is one I can't and won't go along with you on and I find it excessively extreme, but certainly your right under the first amendment to hold. I am still of the opinion that anything is better than Obama so I will cast my vote this fall for whoever it is that runs against Obama.

    P.S. The antichrist is a man that is evil and against Christ and Beelzebub is Satan himself, and to call Romney the equivalent of Satan is beyond the pale.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,141 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    ......It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that Perot stole just enough votes to put clinton in and Bush 41 out.
    This actually makes some sense when you think about it. Perot was running, and it looked like he actually had a good chance of winning the election until he made up some flimsy excuse about his daughter's wedding being disrupted. So, he drops out of the race, then miraculously re-emerges a short time later. By that time, the steam he had for winning had dissipated. I believe he purposely orchestrated this so he wouldn't win, because he didn't really WANT to win the election. Why would a billionaire businessman want to put himself through the political wringer anyway? I think Bush would have won, if not for Perot. During that time, who wanted an "I didn't inhale" president?
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,099 Senior Member
    I'm not sure what Perot was wanting to do, but if you'll remember when he was first considered, he claims he didn't want to run. He'd only run if the American people put his name on the ballot. I'm not sure his heart was really in it...
    Overkill is underrated.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,141 Senior Member
    I'm not sure what Perot was wanting to do, but if you'll remember when he was first considered, he claims he didn't want to run. He'd only run if the American people put his name on the ballot. I'm not sure his heart was really in it...
    Well, I'm not certain either. I am speculating, but at the time I didn't believe his excuses.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
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